Title: How true
Description: Adelaide boring??
lynsteve - April 8, 2007 03:08 AM (GMT)
I would put the link up, but not that good, someone else do it??
Just read the Amanda Blairs article in the Sunday Mail about Adelaide being rather boring. I agree the place needs to be livened up more, think theirs too many doo gooders around.
Stevo.
Annette - April 8, 2007 03:16 AM (GMT)
lynsteve - April 8, 2007 03:28 AM (GMT)
thanks annette, the second link is SO TRUE isn't it.
Stevo.
charlie - April 8, 2007 08:07 AM (GMT)
If you find Adelaide boring move to Sydney.Adelaide is a quite country town ,thats why allot of people move hear.Its to get away from all the C*** people got from living in hell holes like London.Give me simple and quite anytime of the day.
Liz - April 8, 2007 09:30 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (charlie @ Apr 8 2007, 05:07 PM) |
| If you find Adelaide boring move to Sydney.Adelaide is a quite country town ,thats why allot of people move hear.Its to get away from all the C*** people got from living in hell holes like London.Give me simple and quite anytime of the day. |
I must be getting old, the fact that it is behind the times attracts me, I live in Greater London or sometimes it's called Surrey, but it is becoming a hellhole, and I want my children to grow up somewhere safe, then if it's too boring for them when they are older they can go 'walkabouts' like we both did :D
Closet Veggie - April 8, 2007 02:18 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (lynsteve @ Apr 8 2007, 12:08 PM) |
I would put the link up, but not that good, someone else do it?? Just read the Amanda Blairs article in the Sunday Mail about Adelaide being rather boring. I agree the place needs to be livened up more, think theirs too many doo gooders around.
Stevo. |
Guess you live in the nice part of town then!
charlie.no9 - April 8, 2007 07:32 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (charlie @ Apr 8 2007, 05:07 PM) |
| If you find Adelaide boring move to Sydney.Adelaide is a quite country town ,thats why allot of people move hear.Its to get away from all the C*** people got from living in hell holes like London.Give me simple and quite anytime of the day. |
well said that man
AreWeThereYet? - April 9, 2007 08:14 AM (GMT)
I have just been to Sydney for a couple of days and I am not saying that I would prefer for Adelaide to be a sprawling metropolis. I like the fact that Adelaide isn't full of anonymous faces like Sydney and London for example.
SA and Adelaide are trying their hardest to promote themselves in a tight market and in order to florish need to do some work.
The infrastructure is somewhat lacking in my opinion and this is preventing growth. For there not to be a way of getting from Flagstaff Hill to Grand Junction Road in much less than an hour is pretty bad IMHO.
People don't reside within walking distance of work any more and live their lives on their doorsteps.
The thing is most of these problems needed to be addressed 20 years ago and now it's probably too late to fix effectively or cheaply.
When you drive to work in a morning and it would be just as quick to ride a bike something is amiss.
Gavin
carryon - April 9, 2007 08:25 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (AreWeThereYet? @ Apr 9 2007, 05:14 PM) |
I have just been to Sydney for a couple of days and I am not saying that I would prefer for Adelaide to be a sprawling metropolis. I like the fact that Adelaide isn't full of anonymous faces like Sydney and London for example.
SA and Adelaide are trying their hardest to promote themselves in a tight market and in order to florish need to do some work.
The infrastructure is somewhat lacking in my opinion and this is preventing growth. For there not to be a way of getting from Flagstaff Hill to Grand Junction Road in much less than an hour is pretty bad IMHO.
People don't reside within walking distance of work any more and live their lives on their doorsteps.
The thing is most of these problems needed to be addressed 20 years ago and now it's probably too late to fix effectively or cheaply.
When you drive to work in a morning and it would be just as quick to ride a bike something is amiss.
Gavin |
Fair enough point , but take London for example, millions spent on the transport system, introduction of congestion charge and it's still quicker to cycle though the centre than drive! Any largeish town or city will suffer congestion at peak times, it's nothing new!
Simon :cool shake:
Dunc&Sam - April 9, 2007 08:38 AM (GMT)
Places are as boring or as exciting as you want them to be. IF you want to you can find things to do in most cities.
AreWeThereYet? - April 9, 2007 08:38 AM (GMT)
Yeah, nothing new but a guy that I work with has told me that a fair while back the council bought up the land they needed to have an expressway from down south into the CBD. (Don't quote me on the exact details).
Then never did anything about it.
I know it's a fact of life infrastructure getting installed after the fact and never with excess capacity built in.
Look at the M25 a constant building site. The same happened in York where I am from. Built a single carriageway around the west side which has been a slowly moving carpark ever since. There was plenty of room for a DC but the money was never spent.
Now the suffering continues....................
Seeing as we have so much space here maybe we should start a new Adelaide up the coast and build it big enough for everyone to move in for the next 50 years... :D
Gavin
Top_Bhoy - April 9, 2007 09:13 AM (GMT)
In my opinion. Jane Lomax-Smith is wrong when she says "The people of Adelaide have everything to be proud of right now – it doesn't get better than this."
Several thousand international and interstate visitors would disagree with this when they found the entire city has shut down and gone into a coma for the holiday weekend - it sends out the wrong signals.
weasy - April 9, 2007 09:38 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Top_Bhoy @ Apr 9 2007, 09:13 AM) |
In my opinion. Jane Lomax-Smith is wrong when she says "The people of Adelaide have everything to be proud of right now – it doesn't get better than this."
Several thousand international and interstate visitors would disagree with this when they found the entire city has shut down and gone into a coma for the holiday weekend - it sends out the wrong signals. |
We had a fantastic holiday weekend. We went to The Big Rocking Horse and the National Motor Museum on Friday, meandered through Hahndorf on Saturday, went to Aldinga Beach yesterday and spent all day today at a barbie in Bridgewater. There were enough local shops open to get some last minute bits for the barbie. Don't know what you mean by everything going comatose - we found plenty to do and our kids have had a ball.
Louise
Top_Bhoy - April 9, 2007 09:48 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (weasy @ Apr 9 2007, 06:38 PM) |
| QUOTE (Top_Bhoy @ Apr 9 2007, 09:13 AM) | In my opinion. Jane Lomax-Smith is wrong when she says "The people of Adelaide have everything to be proud of right now – it doesn't get better than this."
Several thousand international and interstate visitors would disagree with this when they found the entire city has shut down and gone into a coma for the holiday weekend - it sends out the wrong signals. |
We had a fantastic holiday weekend. We went to The Big Rocking Horse and the National Motor Museum on Friday, meandered through Hahndorf on Saturday, went to Aldinga Beach yesterday and spent all day today at a barbie in Bridgewater. There were enough local shops open to get some last minute bits for the barbie. Don't know what you mean by everything going comatose - we found plenty to do and our kids have had a ball.
Louise
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Good for you and easy to say when you have family to occupy you and a mode of transport to get places relatively quickly and easy. I think me going somewhere like the Big Rocking Horse with no kids would have done my reputation no good whatsoever.
I live in Nth Adelaide and at the moment, no car and it is a different story there and in the city. The word comatose describes it perfectly. I guess the many visiting tourists will have been in my position as well. I enjoy adelaide but this weekend its brutal - if I can help it, it will be the last one I spend here.
I was out at a few bars and restaurants on Thursday night, Saturday night and Sunday night - its during the day which sucked!
red 1 - April 9, 2007 09:50 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Top_Bhoy @ Apr 9 2007, 06:13 PM) |
| In my opinion. Several thousand international and interstate visitors would disagree with this when they found the entire city has shut down and gone into a coma for the holiday weekend - it sends out the wrong signals. |
Well its a world full of choices... If they don't like the good laid back sunny life of Adelaide then they should stay away !!! Or go to the multicultural hustle and bustle in Beford, United kingdom where it will be about 16 degrees , all the shops are open, everybody is too busy in their own sad little lives to spare the time to say hello and some little s**t has just nicked your wallet out of your pocket while you argue with your wife about what colour paint to buy !!!
I know where i would rather be !!!! ;)
Top_Bhoy - April 9, 2007 09:55 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (red 1 @ Apr 9 2007, 06:50 PM) |
Well its a world full of choices... If they don't like the good laid back sunny life of Adelaide then they should stay away !!! Or go to the multicultural hustle and bustle in Beford, United kingdom where it will be about 16 degrees , all the shops are open, everybody is too busy in their own sad little lives to spare the time to say hello and some little s**t has just nicked your wallet out of your pocket while you argue with your wife about what colour paint to buy !!! I know where i would rather be !!!! ;) |
Talk sense - the tourists don't want to live here but they want to be entertained thoughout the period of their stay. They certainly don't get that over the entire holiday period in Adelaide.
If you went away for a short break holiday weekend and found everywhere shut I guess you'd be one happy easter bunny - or would you?
weasy - April 9, 2007 09:58 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Top_Bhoy @ Apr 9 2007, 09:48 AM) |
| QUOTE (weasy @ Apr 9 2007, 06:38 PM) | | QUOTE (Top_Bhoy @ Apr 9 2007, 09:13 AM) | In my opinion. Jane Lomax-Smith is wrong when she says "The people of Adelaide have everything to be proud of right now – it doesn't get better than this."
Several thousand international and interstate visitors would disagree with this when they found the entire city has shut down and gone into a coma for the holiday weekend - it sends out the wrong signals. |
We had a fantastic holiday weekend. We went to The Big Rocking Horse and the National Motor Museum on Friday, meandered through Hahndorf on Saturday, went to Aldinga Beach yesterday and spent all day today at a barbie in Bridgewater. There were enough local shops open to get some last minute bits for the barbie. Don't know what you mean by everything going comatose - we found plenty to do and our kids have had a ball.
Louise
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Good for you and easy to say when you have family to occupy you and a mode of transport to get places relatively quickly and easy. I think me going somewhere like the Big Rocking Horse with no kids would have done my reputation no good whatsoever.
I live in Nth Adelaide and at the moment, no car and it is a different story there and in the city. The word comatose describes it perfectly. I guess the many visiting tourists will have been in my position as well. I enjoy adelaide but this weekend its brutal - if I can help it, it will be the last one I spend here.
I was out at a few bars and restaurants on Thursday night, Saturday night and Sunday night - its during the day which sucked!
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Sorry - didn't realise you are here on your own. Holidays would be pretty similar everywhere on your own I would have thought. However, I would go to the beach on my own, go for walks on my own etc. What is it that you are expecting to do anywhere else?
I'm glad the shops shut on the holiday weekend personally.....
Louise
lesley street - April 9, 2007 11:51 AM (GMT)
Hi
What a materialistic society we have become, if we can only enjoy ourselves if able to spend $'s at a reatil oulet. Adelaide has so much to offer, with it's national parks, botanic gardens, conservation areas and beautiful beaches. Not to mention great weather to enable us all to get out and enjoy. And I would hardly say that everything was closed for the entire weekend. Correct me if i'm wrong, but Good Friday is the one day out of the year that retail outlets 'must' close (here and in the UK), so most people would expect places to be shut. We went for a stroll along Brighton Beach this afternoon and all the cafes and shops in Jetty Road were open and busy. Certainly didn't look comatose to us!
Top_Bhoy - April 9, 2007 12:49 PM (GMT)
I wonder if the response about loads of things to do would be the same if people didn't have a car and were relying on a restricted public transport service alone to get them to/from places for the day? Maybe they should try it for a lengthy period and see how many things they are able to do.
I can do things for no $s as well. Personally I'd have liked nothing better than to go out for several hours on my bicycle but sadly the bike isn't quite ready.
Annette - April 9, 2007 02:03 PM (GMT)
Still waiting patiently for a reply from someone who has actually bothered to read (the whole of) the "offending" article ....
:rolleyes:
I am extremely happy in Adelaide. We LOVE the place and have a wonderful time with very little money and with absolutely no fear of getting bored any time soon. However, just because one is happy in a place and enjoy living there should not make you blind to its faults. Because we love it so much, we want the best for it. We want people to come and experience the lifestyle and amazing things adelaide has to offer. Adelaide has amazing potential and it could be one heck of an exciting destination to visit, if only someone had the guts to do something about promoting it and working on getting some exciting and cutting-edge things happening ... a lot could be done. I think we deserve better than what we are getting at the moment for our tax dollars....
and the road infrastructure situation is just unacceptable...
someone somewhere just needs a really good kick up the backside ...
pompeyblonde - April 10, 2007 12:42 AM (GMT)
I'm not unhappy in Adelaide, but have to say its not a great place to be single, its pretty hopeless! You immediately see the difference in Melbourne or Sydney, I think everyone leaves once they finish college, and pretty much all the rest are families. But having the 495 Im here for the duration! so no point moaning I guess
TheMerrys - April 10, 2007 03:05 AM (GMT)
There was a piece in the Adverstiser a week or so back whilst the council were umming and arring about the Grandstand at Victoria park. It pointed to the reluctance of the "old school" to make changes. Text books often refer to Adelaide as being parochial - I think that is true. Whether that is good or bad depends on your standpoint and vision. In the short term it's all pleasant and fluffy, but for the future it's disasterous. There are many things we love about Adelaide, and it's small town feel is one of them. But at the end of the day it is the capital city of the state and needs to keep up with the modern world to some extent or it'll be completely overtaken and it will eventually die as a result. Investors and business will not come here just because the place feels nice.
I'm not saying it needs to evolve into another sprawling metropolis, but as has been mentioned, there are things that need to be improved to make the place more salable to business. The road infrastucture and public transport is not as good as the other cities - even with the tramline extension. :P
And cue the flamers... :doh:
Top_Bhoy - April 10, 2007 03:39 AM (GMT)
It seems every time you pick up a newspaper there seems to be some conflict between the local council and/or the State Govt. and/or the Federal Govt. If they could all work together and put the same amount of effort into creating things instead of placing often needless (because it wasn't their 'baby') barriers at every opportunity, as much as I do enjoy it, it could be so much better.
They do have some creative thoughts ie Clipsal, Tour Down Under (cycling), Rugby 7s world cup, etc..they just need to build upon it. I still think that after capturing the Rugby 7s at the weekend, the city shutting down during it sends out the wrong signals to international and interstate visitors.
sally1968 - April 10, 2007 04:38 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (lesley street @ Apr 9 2007, 09:21 PM) |
Hi
What a materialistic society we have become, if we can only enjoy ourselves if able to spend $'s at a reatil oulet.
We went for a stroll along Brighton Beach this afternoon and all the cafes and shops in Jetty Road were open and busy. Certainly didn't look comatose to us! |
Although i agree with this to a certain extent the fact that Jetty Rd Brighton and also Jetty rd Glenelg were both open and bustling proves that people do want to be out and at the shops on a public holiday. It makes a mockery of the shops in the city - paricularly Rundall Mall - being mostly closed.
And also as Top Bhoy has said when you have an international event, like the Rugby 7's, taking place people who visit Adelaide for these events expect to be able to visit the shops and i'm sure that, as sad as it is that people are so materialistic, it will put many people off the idea of coming back again.
kirkbygirl - April 10, 2007 07:25 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (lesley street @ Apr 9 2007, 12:51 PM) |
| Correct me if i'm wrong, but Good Friday is the one day out of the year that retail outlets 'must' close (here and in the UK), so most people would expect places to be shut. |
The shops on Jetty Rd Brighton were also open on Good Friday, and the cafes/bars seemed to be doing a roaring trade too......it also looked very busy at Glenelg when we drove by on our way home....
lee on solent - April 10, 2007 09:45 AM (GMT)
Hi,
Our local post office was open good fri and easter mon this was a first and the people who had to work were not very happy,seeing as they could have been home with their families,so i dont think the people who work in thes shops etc that are closed will be complaining.we went to the supermarket the day before easter mon the people were going crazy as though they were going to starve as the shops were closing for a day.I wouldnt complain about things being closed on good fri and easter mon has these are religious days and its good to see these traditions being kept.
myrtle
Gjn200 - April 10, 2007 10:11 AM (GMT)
Even in Radiator Springs (Mount Barker) At least 1 supermarket was open every day.
vespasian - April 10, 2007 11:48 AM (GMT)
I have lived in Adelaide for 9 months and prior to arrival, I must admit that I was a little concerned as to how the 'boring' tag would affect us. Thus far I can report that in the short space of time that I have lived here I have endured the following 'boring' experiences.
Australia V England 2nd Ashes Test
Clipsal 500 V8 Supercars
F18 Jets flying 600 feet above my head whilst downing a coopers pale ale
The Fringe
George Benson in concert
An Indian food Festival
Swimming in shark infested waters
Countless nights out eating in great restaurants for very little money
More nights out drinking until 4am than I should have for 42 year old
And all of this on my doorstep!!!!
I visited Melbourne and didn't rate it much and I have just returned from a weekend in Sydney which reminded me of London with an opera House.
Back in the UK, we would go out for a meal once a week or to the flicks now and then. That's what I call boring.
Adelaide is great and grows on you by the week...I actually felt glad to be back after our trip to Sydney.
V
Geordie Lad - April 11, 2007 03:02 AM (GMT)
We were at the Rugby 7's on Saturday and Sunday and even with this major international event going on, the City was dead, especially on Sunday. With an event like this on you'd expect the City to be buzzing, but no! On Sunday we found a cafe open that was serving breakfast. After waiting for 50 minutes for bacon and eggs we asked for our money back and left or we'd have missed England's first game. Adelaide needs to decide if its a City or a country town, it can't be both. If it wants to stage international events, it needs to at least have the courtesy to be open when international and interstate guests arrive. It's embarrassing.
M.
Meldrew - April 12, 2007 12:31 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (vespasian @ Apr 10 2007, 08:48 PM) |
I have lived in Adelaide for 9 months and prior to arrival, I must admit that I was a little concerned as to how the 'boring' tag would affect us. Thus far I can report that in the short space of time that I have lived here I have endured the following 'boring' experiences.
Australia V England 2nd Ashes Test Clipsal 500 V8 Supercars F18 Jets flying 600 feet above my head whilst downing a coopers pale ale The Fringe George Benson in concert An Indian food Festival Swimming in shark infested waters Countless nights out eating in great restaurants for very little money More nights out drinking until 4am than I should have for 42 year old
And all of this on my doorstep!!!!
I visited Melbourne and didn't rate it much and I have just returned from a weekend in Sydney which reminded me of London with an opera House.
Back in the UK, we would go out for a meal once a week or to the flicks now and then. That's what I call boring.
Adelaide is great and grows on you by the week...I actually felt glad to be back after our trip to Sydney.
V |
The majority of aforementioned events took place in March, as happens every year . The rest of the year is pretty much non eventful.
Adelaide rightfully deserves its boring tag from April to February
Jet - April 12, 2007 10:45 AM (GMT)
Perhaps if you are stuck finding things to do in SA then you should try this link......
http://z2.invisionfree.com/Adelaidebrits/i...p?showforum=270...happy researching ;)
Rachel & Paul - April 12, 2007 11:01 AM (GMT)
It makes me laugh, people whinge and moan about this is boring, that is crap, there was closed etc etc, the solution is simple to me.........move, if you arent happy here.
Tyke - April 12, 2007 11:13 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Rachel & Paul @ Apr 12 2007, 08:31 PM) |
| It makes me laugh, people whinge and moan about this is boring, that is crap, there was closed etc etc, the solution is simple to me.........move, if you arent happy here.
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:lol:
We are having the time of our lives here - we were looking forward to a quiet weekend for a change until I received a PM earlier.
Top_Bhoy - April 12, 2007 11:49 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Rachel & Paul @ Apr 12 2007, 08:01 PM) |
| It makes me laugh, people whinge and moan about this is boring, that is crap, there was closed etc etc, the solution is simple to me.........move, if you arent happy here.
|
I think when you go to the trouble of attracting several thousand interstate and international visitors and then shut up the 'city' centre while their there, you can't blame anyone else when they go back home saying the words 'boring Adelaide' to their friends.
This small minded mentality is best kept to 'The Advertiser' readers letters pages which never ceases to amuse me.
Rachel & Paul - April 12, 2007 11:32 PM (GMT)
whinge, whinge, moan, moan!! You wonder why the crims call us "Whinging Poms"
You obviously know a better solution than "moving?" Its called "Moaning."
Like I said if you arent happy here then move to a more exciting city, and give us all some peace and quiet.
True Blue Aussie - April 12, 2007 11:56 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Rachel & Paul @ Apr 13 2007, 08:32 AM) |
whinge, whinge, moan, moan!! You wonder why the crims call us "Whinging Poms"
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:angry: Hey, who are you calling 'Crims'??? Did you know that South Australia was settled by free settlers, unlike most of the other states? :lol:
Maybe that's why we're 'different', and why the Eastern States like to bag us. :lol2:
vespasian - April 13, 2007 12:20 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Meldrew @ Apr 12 2007, 12:31 AM) |
| QUOTE (vespasian @ Apr 10 2007, 08:48 PM) | I have lived in Adelaide for 9 months and prior to arrival, I must admit that I was a little concerned as to how the 'boring' tag would affect us. Thus far I can report that in the short space of time that I have lived here I have endured the following 'boring' experiences.
Australia V England 2nd Ashes Test Clipsal 500 V8 Supercars F18 Jets flying 600 feet above my head whilst downing a coopers pale ale The Fringe George Benson in concert An Indian food Festival Swimming in shark infested waters Countless nights out eating in great restaurants for very little money More nights out drinking until 4am than I should have for 42 year old
And all of this on my doorstep!!!!
I visited Melbourne and didn't rate it much and I have just returned from a weekend in Sydney which reminded me of London with an opera House.
Back in the UK, we would go out for a meal once a week or to the flicks now and then. That's what I call boring.
Adelaide is great and grows on you by the week...I actually felt glad to be back after our trip to Sydney.
V |
The majority of aforementioned events took place in March, as happens every year . The rest of the year is pretty much non eventful. Adelaide rightfully deserves its boring tag from April to February
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Aussies V England Test was in December,
The bars, clubs and restaurants are open all year round.
Our friends from Sydney visited us in October and coudn't believe that Adelaide was so vibrant, as many of their Sydney neighbours had slagged Adelaide as having nothing to do. They now love coming to us for weekends to get away from the overcrowded London type atmosphere.
Adelaide's is what it is, an honest, undercrowded, plenty to do, great weather environment that invites one to enjoy it at what ever pace one wants to.
New York would be boring to boring people.
V
Sigh - April 13, 2007 12:31 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Rachel & Paul @ Apr 13 2007, 08:32 AM) |
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You obviously know a better solution than "moving?" Its called "Moaning."
Like I said if you arent happy here then move to a more exciting city, and give us all some peace and quiet. |
I really wasnt going to reply to this thread.. but i see that we still get the " spitting the dummy " posts
Lots of people find Adelaide boring.. we are two of many. Its not the worst place to live.. but there are certainly better out there. Not everyone can move on straight away.. and not everyone is so easily pleased.
Lots of people are tied to this place for one reason or another.. doesnt mean to say you gotta pretend its the works.
Peace and quiet.. thats about right ;)
K
Meldrew - April 13, 2007 03:19 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (vespasian @ Apr 13 2007, 09:20 AM) |
| QUOTE (Meldrew @ Apr 12 2007, 12:31 AM) | | QUOTE (vespasian @ Apr 10 2007, 08:48 PM) | I have lived in Adelaide for 9 months and prior to arrival, I must admit that I was a little concerned as to how the 'boring' tag would affect us. Thus far I can report that in the short space of time that I have lived here I have endured the following 'boring' experiences.
Australia V England 2nd Ashes Test Clipsal 500 V8 Supercars F18 Jets flying 600 feet above my head whilst downing a coopers pale ale The Fringe George Benson in concert An Indian food Festival Swimming in shark infested waters Countless nights out eating in great restaurants for very little money More nights out drinking until 4am than I should have for 42 year old
And all of this on my doorstep!!!!
I visited Melbourne and didn't rate it much and I have just returned from a weekend in Sydney which reminded me of London with an opera House.
Back in the UK, we would go out for a meal once a week or to the flicks now and then. That's what I call boring.
Adelaide is great and grows on you by the week...I actually felt glad to be back after our trip to Sydney.
V |
The majority of aforementioned events took place in March, as happens every year . The rest of the year is pretty much non eventful. Adelaide rightfully deserves its boring tag from April to February
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Aussies V England Test was in December,
V
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Well aware of the fact the test was in December.
Thats why I wrote the majority of events take place in March :loopy: :loopy: :loopy:
vespasian - April 13, 2007 03:53 AM (GMT)
Interesting observation and probably in tandem with why you find life boring here.
:doh: