Got this through in a email, this is how prison should be.

Stevo.







Interesting read, enjoy



Update on Joe Arpaio

TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH

JOE ARPAIO, HE IS THE MARICOPA, ARIZONA

COUNTY SHERIFF WHO KEEPS GETTING ELECTED !!


HERE ARE SOME OF THE REASONS WHY:

Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona), created the

" Tent City Jail":

He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and

charges the inmates for them. He stopped smoking

and porno magazines in the jails. Took away their

weights and cut off all but "G" movies.

He started chain gangs so the inmates could do

free work on county and city projects.

Then He Started
Chain Gangs For Women

so he wouldn't get sued For Discrimination.

He took away cable TV until he found out there was

A Federal Court Order that Required Cable TV For Jails.
So He Hooked Up The Cable TV Again,
The Disney Channel And The Weather Channel.

When asked why the weather channel
He Replied, So They Will Know
How Hot It's Gonna Be
While They Are Working on
My Chain Gangs.

He Cut Off Coffee
Since It Has
Zero Nutritional Value.

When the inmates complained, he told them,
"This Isn't The Ritz/Carlton.
If You Don't Like It, Don't Come Back."

He bought Newt Gingrich's lecture series on

videotape that he pipes into the jails.

When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture

series by a Democrat, he replied a democratic

lecture series might explain why a lot of the

inmates were in his jails in the first place.


More On The! Arizona Sheriff:!

With Temperatures Being Even Hotter!
Than Usual In Phoenix (116 Degrees Just

Set A New Record),
the Associated Press Reports:
About 2,000 Inmates Living In A

Barbed-Wire-Surrounded Tent Encampment
At The Maricopa County Jail Have Been Given

Permission To Strip Down To Their

Government-Issued Pink Boxer Shorts !!!.

On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were

either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted inside

the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week before.

Many Were Also Swathed In Wet, Pink Towels

As Sweat Collected!On Their Chests And

Dripped Down To Their PINK SOCKS.


"It Feels Like We Are In A Furnace,"
Said James Zanzot,


An Inmate Who Has Lived In The TENTS

for 1 year.


"It's Inhumane."

Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff
who created the tent city and long ago started

making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna

sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic



He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates:

"It's 120 Degrees In Iraq And Our Soldiers Are

Living In Tents Too, And They Have To Wear

Full Battle Gear, But They Didn't Commit Any

Crimes, So Shut Your Damned Mouths!"

Way To Go, Sheriff!

Maybe if all prisons were like this one
there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders.


Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not

live in luxury until it's time for their parole, only

to go out and commit another crime so they can get

back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things

taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves.

:D

I watched a documentary on this bloke and his policies - he would get my vote if I were a local resident!!!!!!

Id like to meet him :cool shake:
sarah

It would be interesting to see how many of the convicts reoffend
jacqui

I hope I never do!!!!!!!!!

Brilliant stuff!! Break the rules, lose your rights.

Is he for real?
How does he get away with it?
And if he can get away with it , why arnt more people doing it?
It would sure make people think twice!!
Bev

:happy45:

I like the fact that this particular emotive topic has not had many replies. Is this because people are in agreeance with this man or that they dont want to voice thier real opinion?

Me? well I think it is ludicrous, inhumane and damn right barbaric. Prision is a sentance where offenders are stripped of their civil liberties and where they are incarcerated for a crime they have comitted. Rightly or wrongly they still have the right to exist with some level of human value for themselves.

The fact that prison takes away the liberties of offenders (as it is the intended purpose), they have no access to their own decision making (righltly so) and they have very little access to anything personal (again a liberty they lost with the crime) doesnt make way for them to be treat like crap. To double condemn people is in my opinion not what the justice system is about. Does the behaviour of this man not make him as bad as them in some way? It seems he is getting his kicks from the deprivation and obloquy of those who are powerless to him.

Offenders have the right to serve out their sentance without added provocation of inhumane practices. Yes they should have refrained form comitting an offence however, justice was sought and they received a period of incarceration.

What rehabilitative processes are being practiced here? There seems to be the small minded opinion from this mayor that if you treat them like the scum of the earth then they will refrain from coming back. Well this is not the reality I am afraid. Put resources into intensive rehabilitation and ensure the offenders suffer through the courses to try to change their patterns of entrenched behaviours, and you have a better chance of them refraining from recidivist behaviours. Treat them like animals and I am afraid that is the result you will endeavour to foster.
<_<

Or let them watch TV and play on their Play stations all day like here in the UK? I wonder why the reoffending rate is so high?
Offenders only participate in rehabilitation courses if they want to in the UK. The UK prison system is a joke and only today it was on the news that magistrates were considering lowering sentances due to overcrowding.
If they wern't having such an easy time in there, maybe they wouldn't want to go back. Also I don't think that the US jail is a secondary punishment, I feel that it's part of the punishment as a whole.
I doubt that any of the inmates who are there showed their victims any empathy!!! :angry:

Coombsie

deleted. missunderstood.

In the words of Bart Simpson:

"too late Ma'....the mob have spoken".

G

I'd heard of this before. Excellent system!

It is absolutley true that there is huge overcrowding in the prison systems in a society that fails to support.assist or guide the needy and at risk. Society (ie the people with the money!) should/NEED to invest more resources into early intervention to prevent offenders offending in the first place.

Don't get me wrong I am not for one minute saying that offenders shouldn't be punished because they very much should be, BUT a tiny food for thought, IF the said offender was your husband/brother/son/wife/sister/daughter etc would you be happy them serving out their sentance in a squalid place where there is no positive reinforcement for them changing anything about their behaviour and choices they make? The rewards in this system are meaningless and they will most certainly reoffend, not because they were prevented from doing so by the punitive measures installed, but for the sheer buzz of it. The buzz/necessity or plain habit far outweighs the time inside as it is THEIR chouce and THEIR behaviour. Whilst they are incarcerated it is OTHERS choice and OTHERS behaviours that rule thier existence so rebellion is rife for newly exited offenders.

On the plus side, use resources correctly and assist offenders to make good positive choices in an environment where they receive positve comments rather that being told they are worthless, and like a child watch them thrive and decide to make those positive changes for themselves. For once in thier lives they would be and can be in control of their own destiny. Wouldn't you rather this for your loved one than them being treat like crap?

One more thing UNLESS you have a personal interest or investment or knowledge or understanding of offending behaviour and the penal systems you really are laying blind judgement and personal opinion rather than hard fact and evidence based arguments.
:D

For most people the loss of liberty is enough of a deterrent and first offenders should be treated accordingly.

Perpetrators of serious crimes and repeat offenders should also be treated accordingly - perhaps they should exterminated.

I know that I'm going to sound harsh by saying this but if a loved one made the choice to commit a crime (or anyone else for that matter), then they have made a concious decision (unless they use automitism or duress as a defence) to break the law and take the gamble as to weather they will get caught and therefore pay the penalty, weather the penalty is a fine, community service, suspended sentance or a custodial one or any other punishment deemed appropriate by the magistrate or judge.

If they are apprehended and sentanced for the said crime(s) then rightly so their liberty is taken away, normally for only half of the original sentance if they have conducted themselves in an appropriate manner while in prison.
There ARE courses available whilst people are incarcerated to enable them to make positive choices and therefore take some control over their future and develop a different attitude towards society however, like every penal system in the world, money and resources need to be put into this including the appropriate monitoring and continuation of the monitoring once the offender has left the prison.

In my extensive experience of the judicial system and dealing with repeat offenders every working day, I've yet to meet one who made a concious decision while in prison to to say "I've had enough of being in here, I'm going to do some thing about it and take the help on offer and do something to change my life!!"
I'm not saying that people don't but they are few and far between.

Normally when people are incarcerated they have already commited around 15 to 20 minor crimes for which they have had supervision orders and community rehabilitation orders etc... which obviously did not have the effect of being a deterrant for these people.

The meaning of rebellion is as follows; an act of rebelling against an established government or ruler/ defiance of authority or control. These people have already rebeled against society as a whole or they would not be in prison in the first place!

I for one get totally fed up dealing with people aged from as young as 8 onwards thinking that society owes them something and that they have the god given right to take anything they want from everyone else who has worked hard to EARN it.

I also see the effects of their victims. It's not nice to visit an elderly man or woman who has been victim of a burglary and assault, had every possession stolen including their pension books, still nursing ten stitches in thier face and having a black eye, screaming when you knock on their door because they are living in absolute fear that it's going to happen again!

Stripping people of their self respect, dignity and freedom and then installing fear, self doubt and low esteem while in jail is probably not what a "Civilised" society would deem as necessary or appropriate but then again... isn't that what the offender has already done to his/her victim?

My opinions are based on personal experience of being a victim, catching the offenders and having to deal with said offender(s) once they have honed and developed their skills while in prison, only to be released more street wise and having even less respect for society than when they went in!

I certainly do not beleive that treating them with the same methods as children is appropriate or would work in any way, shape or form. A child does not know any better, it learns through it's parents and family and then from people around them but a child will get to a certain age at which it learns from outside of the family unit and then realises that society has it's own values by which most normal people live by. The child will then make a choice weather to obide by those social values or not. Inmates have already gone through that process and made their choice.

Personally I would like to see the American way trialled in the UK and then compare the results over a set number of months/years against a regular prison and then to compare the reoffending rates.

Coombsie :)

I understand entirely and do see your point of view here. I am offering up an alternative view of the normal "lock them up and throw away the key" mentality. My use of said loved ones as an example is not to say they havent conciously undertaken the offence and been given the appropriate sentence but to say if this was your loved one wouldn't you rather they served their sentence as quickly and painlessly as possible without these added constraints?

I agree that there are courses available in prison but 1) they are appallingly led 2) the content is not entirely challenging enough 3) there are no where near enough and 4) they are not always compulsory.

In my also extensive knowledge of the judicial system both in the Uk and in Australia and my every day work with persistent young offenders and young adult offenders, I have had many who have made a conscious decision not to offend again. This is due to intensive support and rehaabilitation whilst being incarcerated and through care into the community, so yes it does work in some cases. It is realistic to assume that some people will change their behaviours others not and that is applicable to a wide variety of behaviours not just criminal activities.

Offenders who are persisitent offenders from a young age and who do not cease their criminal activities have, as you stated, had many DTO's, DTTO's, SO's, CRO's, ISSP's etc which have not altered their behaviours. There are those though who have had all of the above and have made that change and in my experience they have not been few and far between, it all depends on your method of service delivery and client rapport as to how well they respond to your intervention (as well as their willingness to change which is the main priority)

Prisons are a school of crime there is no doubt about it and on many occaisions I have stood before the judge pleading the case for a client to receive a community penalty with my direct assurance that I could make a difference. On other occaisions I have stood before the judge and actually asked them to incarcerate the offender merely for their own safety too!

I believe that rebellion is rife in all of us and yes prisoners have rebelled against society otherwise as you say they would not be locked up. have you thought of the rebellion actually not being about society but rebelling from the familial constraints, their own mental health, co-morbidity issues etc? Yes offenders are placed in a different category to "normal" people but there is a bit of the offender in everybody it is just not labelled as such.

I too see the hurt and devastation caused by offenders and feel passionatly about making them face their victim (ensuring this is appropriate and both parties are in agreeance) as this is a very very strong deterrant for some of them. Being face to face with someone you have caused considerable pain to is, for some, more than they can handle. For a lot of offenders they do not even contemplate the victim in their act, they just carry out the offence emotionless as for some it is a means to an end (I am not saying that I agree with this in any way just merely justifying my example).

Yes they have administered to their victim the upmost devastation for which there will never be any recompense but, for the majority of victims I have dealt with they have voiced an opinion to make sure the offender is given as much assistance as pssible to ensure this does not happen to someone else. I have also had victims that have said they should die but again they are very much entitled to their opinion and I very much respect that.

I also am speaking from personal experience of being a victim on more than one ocacaision and of particularly horrific offences and also of working very closely with offenders on a daily basis. For many (once again not all are receptive to this form of intervention) it is about accepting them as a person, disliking the behaviour and not the person. Working from a strengths based perspective means you can work towards making positive changes in their lives. For many of these offenders they have been the victims of horrific neglect and abuse in their family home and have then been systemically abused which makes them doubly abused and a very cold, calculated and emotionless person. However underneath the facade many are just seeking the recognition that they are not a bad person, that they have just displayed innappropriate behaviours for which they must try to make amends.

I wouldn't like to see the American way trialled, i would like to see a huge overthrow of the current system and a restructure of resources whereby the fat cats need to get of their backsides and think of alternative ways of assisting people to make better choices BEFORE they get to this stage instead of dealing with the end product.

My view is that yes there are people in society who are despicable and vile who commit the most atrocious, sickening offences and who should most certainly be detained for life without any opportunity for parole. These people are very much not of sound mind and should be treat as such being incarcerated in a specialist facility instead of being housed within the general prision population - but these are the ones where it is hopeless and they will never change. On the flip side there are others who have committed serious offences who hate themselves and their actions but have no way of knowing how to change, no understanding of where to begin and are so frightened of change and loosing their status they just continue regardeless - these are the ones where sometimes changes can be implimented.

I do like to see an alternative educated opinion as it depicts a universal picture as opposed to a narrowly defined one sided view.
Candice
:D

Send the criminals to the colonies. It worked once, it can work again!!!

Candice, you have way too much time on your hands :D

Need a new keyboard yet ?

:P

Hey u hope all is well!!!

SO are criminals worth bothering about, think about the women and men that are abused and NO ONE cares a damn about, sorry but to me if they get whats coming to them, I wouldn`t worry

SIGN THE PETITION

Sheila

I'm for capital punishment if its proven beyond doubt, absolutely no doubt.
Child molesters should have no rights and should be castrated and their time inside should be very harsh with no rights at all.

what is our definition of offenders here?...

does this include politicians and the like?

what is wearing pink supposed to acheive?...why don't we go hog wild and have inmates dress up as per panto...


http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/comment/Jus...sley.3480392.jp

this was at the time a sound judgement...poor stefan eh, he would have lost his genitals before losing his life

big pile of "beyond reasonable doubt"s here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage_of_justice

hmm, i'm not there.

was locked up all night once, for a crime i didn't commit.
(alleged car theft)

didn't have to wear pink though.

shame that sean...i have two pink handbags and they are quite fetching when worn with a burgundy cardigan and slippers (oh and a tutu)