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shazrazmataz - November 23, 2007 10:33 PM (GMT)
According to the Uk papers Ian Huntley has advanced liver failure due to the amount of pills he has taken trying to top himself.

Do you think he should be left to die or is that giving him what he wants,what happens if he is given a transplant? surely thats unfair to the other people on the list.

So the question is let him die but escape his punishment or keep him alive to suffer in prison ?

Just a reminder http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3312551.stm

Delboy - November 23, 2007 10:46 PM (GMT)
I don't need your link to remind me Shaz.

Let the scum Die, he's got it too good in Prison anyway.

Good riddance to bad rubbish I say.

xxdebsonlinexx - November 23, 2007 10:53 PM (GMT)
I agree with Vince he deserves to rot

Debs xx

dougie - November 23, 2007 10:53 PM (GMT)
Why waste money on him - give him a couple of razorblades - or if he doesn't have the guts do it for him.

Delboy - November 23, 2007 10:56 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (xxdebsonlinexx @ Nov 24 2007, 08:23 AM)
I agree with Vince he deserves to rot

Debs xx

Preferably underground.

They should have strung him up on the stop.

dglamoore - November 23, 2007 11:48 PM (GMT)
Give the liver to someone that deserves a life and let him stay where he is to die

Lisa :rolleyes:

lorluc - November 24, 2007 05:38 AM (GMT)
Yep, agree...

IMO, why spend anymore tax payers money....and more importantly, give the liver to someone who deserves it...

I think i know what will happen though..


R&3 - November 24, 2007 06:03 AM (GMT)
Let the parents of Soham have half hour with him and he won't need any further attention. Should have been strung up on the conviction but due to the do gooders .............. <_<

Dimmock family - November 24, 2007 06:27 AM (GMT)
I would like to say let him die- but somthing tells me its just not right - I say keep the B*****D alive for as along as possible and believe me he will want to die as the excrutiating pain will make his existance truly miserable. Transplant NO !!!! if we can not hang the B*****D then a painful death has to be a good second best, after all he does not deserve a second chance and he didnt give the girls one !! :angry: all the best for the future Mr Huntley!

Dean

marco121068 - November 24, 2007 06:39 AM (GMT)
They could always use a pig's liver - scientific research kind of thing.
:ph43r:

sarahsmartiepants - November 24, 2007 07:30 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (marco121068 @ Nov 24 2007, 03:39 PM)
They could always use a pig's liver - scientific research kind of thing.
:ph43r:

Yes use him for scientific research, at least then he could do something good with his miserable life!! If not I agree with Dougie, give him some razor blades and let him get on with it....thats a point, why do they stop him trying to die?????

bushyeyebrows - November 24, 2007 09:44 AM (GMT)
I dont hear the rehabilatation brigade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe they are thinking of the victims this time ;)

Delboy - November 24, 2007 09:14 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (bushyeyebrows @ Nov 24 2007, 07:14 PM)
I dont hear the rehabilatation brigade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe they are thinking of the victims this time ;)

:lol:

charlie - November 24, 2007 10:25 PM (GMT)
Cant understand why they have tried so hard to keep him alive!

But the UK is so PC now they will probably have to have a long and costly court proceedings to decide if it is against his human rights to refuse him a liver, then another one when he doesn't want it done and they try to make him, then the operation alone has massive costs and someone more deserving will miss out! MAD

If there was ever a prime example for corporal punishment in modern history then he is it!!!!

Deb

mysnix - November 25, 2007 12:04 AM (GMT)
Not answering either way - I don't know.

But I think it would be against the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights, of which the UK is a signatory, to deny him treatment.

Nikki
x

Alison1967 - November 25, 2007 12:13 AM (GMT)
Would he not stuff up a new liver by continuing to secrete and overdose on prescription medications in prison, perhaps that fact should be considered when assessing the appropriateness of him getting a new liver

Ali

Nick11 - November 25, 2007 03:37 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (shazrazmataz @ Nov 24 2007, 07:33 AM)
According to the Uk papers Ian Huntley has advanced liver failure due to the amount of pills he has taken trying to top himself.

Do you think he should be left to die or is that giving him what he wants,what happens if he is given a transplant? surely thats unfair to the other people on the list.

So the question is let him die but escape his punishment or keep him alive to suffer in prison ?

Just a reminder http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3312551.stm

Make sure they keep him alive as long as they can - death is too good for that scum bag.
His missus came to live by us a few years ago - used to shop in the local sainsburys with her own bodyguard - now give me 10 minutes with her!!!

Alan - November 27, 2007 02:03 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (bushyeyebrows @ Nov 24 2007, 06:44 PM)
I dont hear the rehabilatation brigade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe they are thinking of the victims this time  ;)

I think it's insulting to suggest that anyone who is an advocate of human rights, a member of the "rehabilitation brigade" as you put it, is oblivious or insensitive to the plight of victims.

Perhaps the reason there hasn't been many differences to the general consensus of opinion on this topic, is that most people are acutely aware of how justifiably, emotive the subject is and how pointless an excercise it would be to attempt a balanced discussion on human rights, right or wrong.

I think the lack of response is more about making a common sense choice rather than a silent declaration of hypocrisy.

Finally, it is somewhat naive to assume that nobody else on this site has not suffered a similar tragedy and chosen to forgive in the interest of self preservation and in the hope that such a gesture may offer hope to another in similar circumstances.

Alan.

CatWithClaws - November 27, 2007 05:56 AM (GMT)
What i want to know is, whereabouts in Australia are they sending the inhuman bastards that killed little Jamie Bulger? If its SA I'd really like to know about it. Apparently when they are released they have been promised anonymity and a new life in Oz - what happened to the police check requirements? I thought the days of sending British convicts to Australia were long passed.

Liam - November 27, 2007 05:58 AM (GMT)
I reckon give him a liver transplant and then torture him. Or just let him die from the pain his liver may be causing him. He doesn't deserve to live... He is scum.

As for the human rights conventions, im pretty sure he has breached the most fundamental one so why not let him die?

sean - November 27, 2007 07:29 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (CatWithClaws @ Nov 27 2007, 04:26 PM)
What i want to know is, whereabouts in Australia are they sending the inhuman bastards that killed little Jamie Bulger? If its SA I'd really like to know about it. Apparently when they are released they have been promised anonymity and a new life in Oz - what happened to the police check requirements? I thought the days of sending British convicts to Australia were long passed.

as far as i am aware, Jamie Bulgers killers were released several years ago, and have new identities in the uk.
its a myth about them being in oz.
Australia wont have them.

as far a huntley's concerned, well i guess he's got it coming, shouldn't really be entitled to a new liver.

Andy - November 27, 2007 07:30 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (CatWithClaws @ Nov 27 2007, 04:26 PM)
Apparently when they are released they have been promised anonymity and a new life in Oz -

they were released in 2001........

sarahsmartiepants - November 27, 2007 07:48 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Andy @ Nov 27 2007, 04:30 PM)
they were released in 2001........

The way I remember that is The sun hunted them down in one of their "people should know" campaigns, published pics of them, one was apparently arrested at an area he wasnt supposed to go to, the other was sent to Perth with yet another identity. How true that is I dont know...it came form the sun!
sarah

Andy - November 27, 2007 08:02 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (sarahsmartiepants @ Nov 27 2007, 06:18 PM)
The way I remember that is The sun hunted them down in one of their "people should know" campaigns, published pics of them, one was apparently arrested at an area he wasnt supposed to go to, the other was sent to Perth with yet another identity. How true that is I dont know...it came form the sun!
sarah

I suspect....as with the original Huntley transplant story.......these things are dreamt up to give sales a bit of a boost.

bushyeyebrows - November 28, 2007 11:01 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Andy @ Nov 27 2007, 05:02 PM)
QUOTE (sarahsmartiepants @ Nov 27 2007, 06:18 PM)
The way I remember that is The sun hunted them down in one of their "people should know" campaigns, published pics of them, one was apparently arrested at an   area he wasnt supposed to go to, the other was sent to Perth with yet another identity.  How true that is I dont know...it came form the sun!
sarah

I suspect....as with the original Huntley transplant story.......these things are dreamt up to give sales a bit of a boost.

One of them was definately arrested , for which, broke his parole conditions, but was never put back inside!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <_< <_<

The Bulger family were asking why?





I think it's insulting to suggest that anyone who is an advocate of human rights, a member of the "rehabilitation brigade" as you put it, is oblivious or insensitive to the plight of victims.



Perhaps the reason there hasn't been many differences to the general consensus of opinion on this topic, is that most people are acutely aware of how justifiably, emotive the subject is and how pointless an excercise it would be to attempt a balanced discussion on human rights, right or wrong.

I think the lack of response is more about making a common sense choice rather than a silent declaration of hypocrisy.

Finally, it is somewhat naive to assume that nobody else on this site has not suffered a similar tragedy and chosen to forgive in the interest of self preservation and in the hope that such a gesture may offer hope to another in similar circumstances.

Alan.


All Ill say to this is

Easily insulted then! ,balanced discussion on the girls human rights?????????? common sense choice................does that mean ..........we have no answers?

Naive subject...............I never mentioned this........you did.


Each to their own , and we both have our own opinions .

Andy - November 28, 2007 11:32 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (bushyeyebrows @ Nov 28 2007, 09:31 PM)
One of them was definately arrested , for which, broke his parole conditions, but was never put back inside!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <_< <_<

The Bulger family were asking why?





hadn't heard that.....do you have a reference?






QUOTE
I think the lack of response is more about making a common sense choice

I think for some, commenting on this would be akin to commenting on "double decker bus found on moon" stories

weez - November 28, 2007 01:46 PM (GMT)
ooooo this is a tough one ( going back to the original question!!) i live in Ely and as we are so close to soham we felt all the grief that they did , i think knowing friends of the parents and also seeing them around Ely from time to time what they really want is answers...WHY?.... and if Huntley dies without them knowing (no matter how hard it would be for them) it will be salt in their wounds.
on a personal note i think death would be an easy way out for him , he should suffer with the guilt of what he has done , not die and have peace, which is something that the girls families will NEVER have .

weez

rfox - November 29, 2007 12:08 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Liam @ Nov 27 2007, 02:58 PM)
He doesn't deserve to live... He is scum.

As for the human rights conventions, im pretty sure he has breached the most fundamental one so why not let him die?

I agree totally, but I don't think he wants to live does he?

Does he actually want a transplant? if he keeps trying to top himself surely he does want to die?

Personally I don't think he deserves a new liver, when he mustn't really want it and it could benefit someone else who wants and needs it.






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