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Obsidian - March 9, 2005 10:53 PM (GMT)
Don't shoot the messenger.... :needadrink:

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IE 7: so much for Firefox
By Molly Wood, senior editor, CNET.com
Tuesday, February 15, 2005

Editor's Note: This version has been edited to clarify that Internet Explorer 7 is not a true standalone browser release.

The party's over.

In the past year, the little browser that could, Firefox, became the people's hero, an underdog warrior that took a huge swipe at its enemy, Internet Explorer. IE dipped below 90 percent market share for the first time in years, while Firefox lured users like the Pied Piper, blowing past its own fundraising goals and reigniting the browser wars.

Meanwhile, the bad news continued to mount for Microsoft. An IE exploit put even Windows XP SP2 users at risk from phishing schemes, even as Microsoft touted SP2 as the most secure version of Windows yet. Worse, major security companies and the U.S. Computer Emergency Readiness Team began to recommend that computer users dump IE for something more secure (read: Firefox).

By early this year, Netscape was emboldened to reenter the fray, announcing in January that it would release a new version of the Netscape browser, designed specifically to resist phishing schemes--something even Firefox lacks. Then, Opera said it would offer free licenses to universities, in order to make sure it would still be relevant in the new world browser order. And through it all, what was the response from Microsoft? Silence.
For a moment there, it looked like the tyrant IE could actually be overthrown. Those were heady days, weren't they? Well, they're over now. Papa Bill just dropped the hammer. Bill Gates announced this week, at the RSA Security Conference in San Francisco (of all places), that Microsoft will release an updated version of IE, Internet Explorer 7, without waiting for the next version of Windows. Gates says the unexpected release is designed to address the perception that IE itself is a massive security risk. What he didn't say, but you know he was thinking it, is that IE 7 will easily put a stop to this upstart browser rebellion.

Don't believe me? You should. Firefox is great, I use it. But it's a chore sometimes, what with most sites using that pesky nonstandard IE code. Not everything renders properly, and some sites just plain don't work--I have to load up IE to use them. Plus, let's be honest--Firefox has its flaws. Why is there no way to check for updates from within the browser, for one thing? Why does it take so doggone long to launch? Why, why must it crash every single time I open a PDF? I mean, every single time. Opera, fine, whatever, I'm not paying for a browser, and for some reason, although I've tried it several times, it's just never captured me. It's too clunky, and I was raised on IE. I don't want to learn something completely new. IE, on the other hand, is like the sweeping tide--it's just easier not to fight it.

If IE 7 is even 50 percent more secure than current versions, the Firefox rebellion is finished. If IE 7 has tabs, Firefox will be destroyed as surely as the Hungarian uprising of 1956 was crushed by the Soviets. I use the analogy deliberately, too--no one expected Microsoft to issue a major update to IE before Longhorn came out, but those months of silence (and, no doubt, frantic development) look awfully ominous now.

It was bad when Microsoft seemed to ignore Firefox, treating it like a harmless upstart not worthy of comment or attack. But now that the sleeping giant has awakened, I think the buzzing gnat of the browser wars is about to be squashed flat. What do you think?


What do you think ? Will these improvment make you wanna switch back ? Why or Why not ?

Bryan - March 10, 2005 04:02 AM (GMT)
Yes, yes they will.
What the man says is true. I CANT FREAKIN RUN FLASH CORRECTLY IN MOZILLA! IT PISSES ME OFF! so i have to switch over to IE every once in a while. Especially while playing the RPG at Tres. Finally, something that microsoft might do right!

Jack Blaguar - March 10, 2005 09:55 AM (GMT)
Right now I use both... for the reasons stated above. If IE 7 offers the security and features of Firefox... why even bother with anything else?

Onigiri Fury - March 10, 2005 05:09 PM (GMT)
it's funny that it's assumed here that firefox is going to remain the same program. I'll wait and see what goes. ;)

Obsidian - March 10, 2005 06:35 PM (GMT)
These are not the reaction I thought I see....

Bryan - March 10, 2005 07:57 PM (GMT)
Well, yes many people can agree that microsoft is the apitame of suck, but that doesnt mean they totally suck.

cmg_oh - March 11, 2005 12:54 AM (GMT)
I like being able to view page source and info like I can in FF, I would not switch back without that ability.

Bryan - March 11, 2005 04:09 AM (GMT)
sounds like someones into hacking.... j/k

Jack Blaguar - March 11, 2005 01:27 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (cmg_oh @ Mar 10 2005, 06:54 PM)
I like being able to view page source and info like I can in FF, I would not switch back without that ability.

:mellow: You can view the page source in IE. :blink:



FF would have to overcome the javascript, flash, and other coding and compatibility problems (i.e. the text effects on this board... remember that?) for me to switch 100%.


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it's funny that it's assumed here that firefox is going to remain the same program. I'll wait and see what goes. 


Wait? What is this "wait" you speak of? Are you surfing naked? (without a browser that is)

(Yes, for those who don't know, you can access the internet without a browser... lol )

Onigiri Fury - March 11, 2005 04:20 PM (GMT)
heh, only rl naked ;) lol
right now, I use a mix of both of 'em

cmg_oh - March 11, 2005 08:47 PM (GMT)
Everytime I open an IE window I end up with too much spyware.

Since my new computer runs XP, I tend to be a bit wary.

Onigiri Fury - March 13, 2005 11:45 PM (GMT)
^.^ sounds like too much unsafe surfing cmg ;)

Bryan - March 14, 2005 03:35 AM (GMT)
theres a couple of programs that prevent spyware from ever being installed. There are even programs that keep web page hijackers from happening also.
For those things, you can find them all at www.majorgeeks.com
For you hardcore IE users. Which i doubt there are any.

Gokou Alpha - December 5, 2005 08:49 PM (GMT)
Updated News
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Internet Explorer 7
Barbara Krasnoff and Scot Finnie, 14-Nov-2005

IE 7 packs some nifty new additions in the latest preview of Windows Vista.

While computer users are watching the slow release of builds of Windows Vista (which Microsoft calls the Community Technology Preview, or CTP), part of that anticipation includes the first new version of Internet Explorer in several years. The latest widely distributed version of Windows Vista, build 5231, also known as the October CTP, is significant primarily because of the new features it delivers in Internet Explorer 7.


IE 7 first impressions

We first looked at IE 7 in August, when we reviewed Beta 1 of IE 7 for Windows XP (which, except for some of the security functionality, is supposed to be nearly identical to the Vista version). Among the features we surveyed were two major additions: tabbed browsing and RSS features. Both the appearance and the functionality of those two features are upgraded in this version of IE 7.

Microsoft has added to its tabbed-browsing functionality with a thumbnail-tab overview feature called Quick Tabs, the ability to save and reopen sets of tabs known as Tabbed Groups, and a small new tabbed-browsing configuration dialog in Internet Options.

Quick Tabs is the most interesting of the new features. Although earlier Web browsers or plug-ins have offered something similar to this before, it's a first for Internet Explorer. Once you have two or more tabs open, an icon appears on the tabs bar, which, when clicked, replaces the Web page window with small thumbnail views for each of the Web pages you have open in tabs. It's very easy to click on any thumbnail to open a tabbed page or to delete it by clicking the close box in the thumbnail's upper right corner.

There are two ways we can see ourselves using Quick Tabs. The most common will probably be "Where, oh where, is that Web page with the cool stuff on it?" In other words, when you have 8, 15 or 29 tabs open, Quick Tabs will be the fastest way to find that page you were looking at three hours ago.

The other way some people will use this is as a visual tab manager. Whenever you call it a day on your computer, and you realize your browser has 14 open tabs, aren't there usually at least one or two you want to bookmark or save shortcut icons for? The easiest way to do that is to rapidly kill off tabs you know you don't need and then save the rest. And we can't think of a faster way to do that than Quick Tabs.

The Tab Groups feature lets you save sets of tabs into a new folder in your Favorites list, and then later reopen them with just a few clicks. This feature will come in handy, but the implementation in Favorites is a little clunky. When I saved a folder there, IE 7 placed the folder at the bottom of the Favorites list. Microsoft describes the feature as offering one-click recall of the tab set, but that's only possible if you open the new Favorites Center in the sidebar. We don't know about you, but neither of us is likely to leave the sidebar open at all times.

The new Favorites Center is an improved version of IE's Explorer Bar (or sidebar), which in IE 6 and earlier offers views of Search, Favorites, History and Folders. In IE 7 from Vista build 5231, the Explorer Bar is recast as the Favorites Center, with alternate History and RSS Feeds views. The very best new aspect of this sidebar is that, by default, it opens over the Web page currently loaded, instead of pushing it to the side. When you click to select a bookmark to load, the Favorites Center closes automatically and the page is loaded in a new tab. Yes! Finally, Microsoft has thought this through. This is the way it should work.

If you want to keep your bookmarks visible, a small button in the sidebar makes the Favorites Center part of the main window, pushing over not only the main window but the toolbar as well. (In this iteration, the button is merely a left-pointing arrow, which is a bit confusing. Presumably, this detail will be fixed later.)

Microsoft's new RSS features for IE 7 are very similar to Firefox's Live Bookmarks. IE 7 can display any RSS feed in a legible format, something Firefox can only do with the aid of the third-party Feedview extension. Like Live Bookmarks, IE 7 has an icon that lights up when an RSS feed is available on a Web page. When you click the RSS icon, you see a listing of the articles available from the feed, and you can click any of them to load a specific article page.

What's missing in this rendition is a way to subscribe to the feed from one of the pages you've loaded in this fashion, although you can click a Subscribe button next to the RSS button to add the current RSS link to the Feeds folder in Favorites. It seems that Microsoft has progressed with the user interface for its new RSS features, but this doesn't appear to be the finished product. So we'll revisit this again in the future.


Toolbar troubles

Microsoft's insistence on doing away with the main menus (File, Edit, View, etc.) by default in all Windows Vista Explorer windows, including Internet Explorer, is a usability no-no. Why would you take something millions of people already know how to use and hide it? The setting that turns this back on is also not immediately discoverable in either Internet Explorer or Windows Explorer. Microsoft, please think twice about this one. No user-experience philosophy du jour should put millions of people at a disadvantage in an attempt to prove a point or teach us a "better" way to do things.

Both Firefox and Internet Explorer are currently able to increase the size of text on any Web page when you hold down the Ctrl button and use your mouse scroll button up or down. Internet Explorer 7 will match one of Opera's cool features and let you scale the size of the entire Web page, images and text together, with Ctrl-mouse scroll (or Ctrl plus the + or - keys). This Page Zoom feature is very powerful, and extremely useful. It's not just over-45 eyes that will find this a big advantage.

IE 7 is clearly unfinished in the toolbar area, so it's possible that what's wrong will be fixed when Vista ships. We'll hold off further discussion of the toolbars for now. They appear to be a work in progress, but we're not sure the direction is the right one. The IE toolbar of the IE 4 through IE 6 era has been one of the best things about the program.

We had two different views of the Phishing Filter, Microsoft's new anti-phishing protection feature set.


Barbara Krasnoff:

As you surf, you'll want to keep an eye on the bottom of the display, which now offers an icon informing you when it blocks pop-ups and cookies. You can click on these icons to see exactly what was stopped. There's also an icon that fades in and out like Casper the Friendly Ghost as each new page loads.

It shows that IE 7 is checking a page you've just loaded for possible phishing characteristics. When the icon in the status bar winks out, a yellow warning icon is placed beside the URL address bar if the site is deemed to be "suspicious." No yellow warning means that Phishing Filter has deemed the site to be okay.

I took IE 7 to an obvious phishing URL I had recently received (you know the type: "PayPal Notification of Limited Account Access"). The yellow warning appeared; when I clicked it, IE 7 displayed this message: "Phishing Filter has determined that this might be a phishing website. We recommended you do not give any of your information to such websites." I was also given the option to click on a link to a Microsoft Phishing Filter Feedback page where I could report whether I thought this was truly a phishing site.

I decided to play the part of a really stupid user, so I ignored the yellow URL and proceeded to put a name and password (false, of course) into the form. I was immediately taken to another page that told me my credit card was reported as lost or stolen, and asked me to fill in unimportant information such as my name, credit card number, PIN, social security number, banking ID, billing address.... Again, the "Suspicious Website" notification came up.

This is useful stuff, but I'm not sure it's enough. It took at least a full minute for the notification to come up (during which time most decent typists could have had the form filled in and sent), and the yellow button displacing part of the Address bar isn't really all that noticeable. If Microsoft really wanted to stop innocent users from giving personal information to scammers and other nasty folk, a more prominent "Are you sure you want to type personal information into this Web page?" notice would have been nice.


Scot Finnie:

The other side of the coin could present issues for businesses. When I loaded my Scot's Newsletter site, I found that virtually every page on my site (hundreds of pages) caused IE 7 to display the yellow "Suspicious Website" warning.

When you click the yellow button, there's a link for Webmasters and site owners to notify Microsoft that their sites are incorrectly labeled this way. To submit a page for human examination, you have to fill out 10 separate fields, including personal information. Then you send it off to Microsoft.

The first time I did this, I assumed Microsoft would check over the entire site when it realized its mistake. But, no -- what it did was to agree with me that the page in question didn't represent a phishing threat, turning off the yellow suspicious Web site warning for just that one page. I got an auto-generated message 24 hours later letting me know of the company's decision. There's no way to reply to the message.

The submission form doesn't let you submit any more than one page at a time. So I thought, I'll submit another page and ask them in one of the five free-form fields to examine every page on my site. I got the exact same auto-generated e-mail response as I did with the first submission, and again, Microsoft had turned off the warning for just that one page. The third time around I put the same request in every field asking for all the pages on my site to be reviewed. It took about five days for this to occur, but at last Microsoft got it right. Every page but one was free of the yellow warning. I just submitted that one page and it, too, was free of the warning the next day.

I interviewed three of the folks at Microsoft who are responsible for the Phishing Filter about the issues I experienced as a Webmaster/Web site owner. They readily agreed that blog and newsletter sites have tended to be a problem for the Phishing Filter, and said that this is something they will have fixed by the time IE 7 ships. But they stopped shy of saying that they will make it easy for entire Web sites to be submitted for review.

Their fear is that phishing scammers will set up domains, have them reviewed as safe, and then add the malicious tools after Microsoft has blessed them. I can understand that problem. But it points out to me that the technology they're using might need to be improved. It's too soon to say that for sure in this early beta, but it's something to keep an eye on.

I should add that we have found very few sites on the Internet so far that seem inappropriately tagged with the Suspicious Website tag. So, by and large, Microsoft has gotten this right. But they need to make it easier for legitimate businesses whose Web sites are their front doors to free themselves of Microsoft labeling them as phishing scams when they're not. If you're going to set yourself up as final arbiter when the ruling could be potentially damaging to another company, you better get it right -- or make it easy to set it right.


Security and out

There's quite a bit more security in IE 7, too. The Windows Vista version of IE 7 will provide a Protected Mode that gives the browser sufficient rights to browse the Web, but not enough rights to modify user settings or data. Protected Mode will only be available to Vista users because the functionality depends on the reworked user account system in Windows Vista.

Vista's version of IE 7 will also be able to automatically install security and other updates; that will not be the case in the XP version. New parental controls will be available for Limited accounts (we were unable to make the Windows Parental Controls control panel work). There's also a new "ActiveX Opt-in" feature that's apparently in the 5231 code, but we haven't been able to prompt it into action.

We'll weigh in with insights and opinions about how much better IE 7 is when the beta 2 code is released; it's expected around the middle of December. -- TechWeb

DangerMouse - December 6, 2005 03:45 PM (GMT)
Yo MS is hookin up da people wit da high end PC's. A new IE doesnt do me any good when my computer still runs Windows 2000.

IE 7 has a lot of issues, but they'll work out da bugs by da time dat Vista launches.

I didnt know that you could resize text wit control and and da scroll wheel. Sick.

Gokou Alpha - November 13, 2006 05:21 PM (GMT)
More New features...:

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IE 7 automatic updates get green light for XP users   
By Alex Zaharov-Reutt 
Tuesday, 14 November 2006

Whether you’ve ‘upgraded’ to Firefox or another browser, XP users with IE 6 will start being asked to update to IE 7 through Microsoft’s automatic update process, while in related news, a ‘green coloured’ address bar in IE 7 should signify a site is ‘safe’, but can you trust it?

Microsoft has begun the automatic update process for users of IE 6 on computers running genuine versions of Windows XP SP2, Windows Server 2003 and Window XP x64, with the rollout process expected to take months.

That’s because Microsoft doesn’t want to flood their servers with requests for IE 7 updates from users around the world. English language users started seeing requests to update the IE browser from November 1. 

On Wednesday November 15, users of Windows XP or better in German, French, Spanish, Finnish, Brazilian Portuguese and Arabic will start seeing update notifications as well, with other languages to follow throughout 2007.

Users are not forced into upgrading to IE 7 right away, with users able to block the update from installation, with administrators also able to prevent the update on their business fleets of computers until they are ready to allow the update to happen. For Microsoft’s full schedule of IE 7 updates, visit this site.

But eventually, this is likely to become a mandatory update, as it upgrades the baseline security for genuine Windows XP users and gives them a host of new features in Internet Explorer that have albeit already been available for some time in competing browsers such as Firefox, Maxthon and others.

Part of the security improvements in IE 7 include a better anti-phishing system to help users detect fraudulent sites they have accidentally clicked on through emails purporting to be from their bank, or have somehow accidentally stumbled upon.

Unfortunately, the framework for exactly what how this will work reliably is still in the draft stages at the CA Broswer Forum, as reported by ZDNet.

This brings me to TrustDefender www.trustdefender.com, a piece of software that I’ve disclosed in a previous article has been written by friends in Australia and has emerged from a year long beta program to be released as a final product that’s free to download and use.

According to the developers, TrustDefender is the only software capable of telling you with certainty whether the site you’re visiting really is the one you meant to visit, with an excellent ‘Guaranteed Authentication Program’ for banks and other institutions to enter, and a ‘Trusted Surfing Database’ to let users see what others on the Internet thought about the site you’re about to visit, especially if it is a brand new site that hasn’t been seen before.

After all, if you think the site you’re visiting is your bank, but TrustDefender is telling you the site is only a day or two old, with few or no users trusting it, you’d be mad to ignore that unmissable warning and visit the site and then enter your bank log-in details anyway.

Of course it’s not only banks that the phishers are targeting, but a host of sites including auction sites, social networking sites and almost any site that you have to log into. And while companies such as Symantec, McAfee and others purport to have software that does the same or similar things, my developer friends have shown me how those solutions are incomplete and are fallible, whereas TrustDefender has been engineered from the ground up to be virtually bulletproof. While I believe this, that's obviously a claim you'll have to judge for yourself.

I don’t make software recommendations lightly, whether the developers are friends or not, so while you might wait to update to IE 7 because you’re already happily using an alternate browser, why wait for supposedly top class anti-phishing and other web based authentication security in IE 7 when it hasn’t even left the CA Browser Forum draft process yet?

TrustDefender certainly seems worth trying, especially at the hard to resist price of free, and it works with whichever browser you choose to use.

4th Noun - November 13, 2006 11:24 PM (GMT)
Trustdefender sounds pretty cool since it works with any browser.

I havent used IE in so long I dont even know which version I run. LOL

Nowadays I'm a Firefox and Opera user.

I think I'll use IE just to see what's going on.

*switches to IE*

*switches back to Opera*

Too much going on. LOL I'll stick with what I know now. I dont like being forcefed content, and M$ loves to do that. :P




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