there are a common snapper, western painted, and a penninsula cooter, all are 4". please do not yell at me for mixing a snapper with other turtles, i know it is not recommended and i dont recommend it to anyone. i know the risks i am taking and the snapper will be in his own tank before he gets to be another inch. there are also 4 3-4" goldfish in there. there is a whisper 5 filter and a 160 watt powersun for heat and UV. what do you guys think?

here are the turtles:

It seems the tank is more pro-fish than pro-turtle. The water's pretty deep, and there's not much land area. The water's a little murky. I would think the snapper would start trying to eat the fish or at least damage their fins. I'm not trying to be critical as you yourself have said it's not ideal. I'd also worry about the animals jumping out.

the water is always crystal clear(unless i stir up the gravel or filter cartridges). there is enough basking area for the two regular turtles to bask at the same time. the maybe once a month when the snapper wants to bask the others cant, but that is very minimal and shouldnt affect their health at all. they cant grip the trim to get out even when the water is topped off, and they cant get to the edge from the basking spot(nice thing about wide tanks), so they cant get out. a lot of water is for better filtration and more swimming space for everyone. if the snapper starts to go for the fish, they were bought as feeders, so i almost dont count them as pets. i like them though and am now starting to consider them as pets since they seem to be doing great. great life for a feeder fish. they have learned to avoid any moving "rocks" (turtles) so they should be okay. the snapper is very laid back. i have never seen him strike at any of his tankmates, fish or turtle, and he only eats pellets, which i consider to be a healthier diet anyways, not to mention pellet-only keeps him less aggressive (apparently) just like cichlid fish.

i second that. the tank does look a bit dirty but hey there turtles! do you mean a whisper 50?

it may not look it in the pics, but that tank is always crystal clear. i know, i am the one who looks at it everyday. trust me, its clean. and i did mean whisper 5. there isnt even such a thing as a whisper 50 (that i know of). they dont make whisper 5s anymore, they took 2 extra large bio-bags. i think you can still get all the replacement parts for it online, put them together, and have a brand new whisper 5.

i dont think there are either. my friend has a whisper 5 and its really small, thats why i asked.

whisper 5s are huge, they must have one for a 5 gallon. a whisper 5 like i have can handle up to 100 gallons i think.

its weird how they are called whisper 5s and they can do so much! :lol:

thats just how they used to name them. i guess i like their new way better since it tells you how many gallons it is supposed to handle. emphasis on the word "supposed". they had it on the boxes at one point. the gallon rating is actually the lower number by itself UP TO the higher number if you also have some other type of filter (or my preference another whisper). so the 60 can handle 30-60 gallons. that means by itself it can handle 30 gallons. if you have another filter like an undergravel, it can handle up to 60. up to meaning lightly stocked and a lot of water changes (25% weekly without fail). so a 10 gallon should have a whisper 20 on it, a 55 should have 2 60s, so on, and so on. if you realize this, whispers are the best in my opinion. if you dont realize this and put a 60 on a 55 with any decent amount of fish in it, you may end up thinking whispers suck since you dont really have enough filtration.

do you have any intank whispers? i have and out and in tank whisper 20. the intank works alot better but its huge! im getting into aquaclear filters, they are pretty good.

i have used 10i for a few things like axolotls and albino asian bullfrog. it worked great for me, same as an out of tank. they are big especially in a turtle tank where all water is needed for more swimming space. thats why higher water and an out of tank whisper on a turtle tank should be done if at all possible. when the water is below the top junction on the uplift tube, you can seal the junction with teflon tape from the plumbing section at a hardware store. it is super cheap and lets you drop water a lot farther than usual.

the 20 out tank is okay but it gets clog much easier for me.

it shoulsnt, its the same cartridge and should be the same flow.

i knoiw but the 20 i works better for me and has more flow.

if you think about it the out of tank may be better BECAUSE it is clogging. if the waste is int here and the out of tank is getting it (clogging) but the in tank isnt cloggong, that may mean that the out of tank is actually cleaning better. try switching the two, bu tkeep the same bio-bag fo reach tank so you dont mix up bioload and disease. then see if the same tank or the sam efilter is clogging. it would bne interesting to see if the sam etank is clogging both just as fast.

they both clog but the intank has more flow.

visual flow, or gph hour on the box? it may just look like there is more flow. either way i think whispers are the way to go.

have you ever had aquaclear? they are much better biological filters.

no, all the different cartridges discouraged me, whispers have always been more than enough.

yah they are pretty simple. the aqualear is actually kind of hard. it took me 5 min to figure out why there was No flow. It is a great choice for a planted tank though, thats what im using it for.

i checked the gph on the boxes for whisper 20s, internal and external. internal does 125 gph, out does 105. so the internals should have more flow.

well i uncloged them both completely to day so i will see how it goes.

doesnt that water look crystal clear. i dont think it was here but a few people on other forums said my tank looked a little cloudy, so i wanted to CLEAR things up. and here is the snapper hiding in one of his hides.

yes i does look clear but not 100% but nothing to worry about.

it is 100%

Maybe itsa just the algae or something thats making me think it looks dirty.