I decided to make a debate on abortion. :D

There was a lyrical little thing I knew of called the "Abortion song" which I would post if I could remember it well. But anyway...

There are many people who believe that abortion is wrong, or is murder, and there are others who believe that it's either for the better (in many cases, it sometimes is), or that it's not murder because it's "Just a lump of tissue in the uteris" or a fetus who has yet to grow into an actual kid.

Back a long time ago, (not going to state an approximate year) abortions were illegal and considered murder. It was then legalized when they discovered women were getting abortions that were dangereous to their life in alleys by non-professional doctors.

The only bad aspect of abortion in my very own opinion, are "late-term abortions" which I had learned about. D: When the mother gets an abortion when the child is near due to being born.

STATE YOUR OPINIONS. Plz.

I am pro choice, I doubt if I personally would ever had an abortion, but I am pro choice for the same reason I am pro gay marriage, I don't think I, or the government, should have any say over what somebody does with their life and body.

I do think that late term abortions are pretty awful though. And they are illegal in America, just to let you know Apollo, and most elsewhere in the world as well.

To add to this debate, I recently heard on NPR that theres been this new outbreak of court cases because pharmacists are refusing to give out the "morning after pill" which as the name indicates can be taken the morning after sex to stop fertilization from becoming a full blown pregnancy, because some pharmacists see it as a form of abortion and they are against it. I think this is totally wrong, value judgements have no place in this situation, if the drug has been passed as safe by the FDA and its legally available I don't think the pharmacist has any place in forcing their opinion on patients by refusing to give out the medication. Also if a woman is denied the pill, she'll just go get an abortion anyway, so I think this whole thing is ridiculoous.

I concur about it being ridiculous. But somehow it still manages to remain a touchy subject. One way or another.

I think it should be a couples choice, involving both the parents, unless the father should want no equal part in raising the child.

My sisters are the biggest arguement FOR abortion.

nuff said.

(Thank THE LAWD they are not my actual sisters!)

i suppose if the person has a good reason for abortion, like too young, or not fit to be a parent or something. i'm not against abortion, but i'm not for it either. it depends on the reason.

Is that because six of your girlfriends have had them? Since February?

bit of an overstatement rinoa! leave me alone!

cut it out you two....

Okay, I like both Rinoa and Squall individually as members but I am getting a little sick of you two always arguing on this board about your past relationship, or whatever it is you guys base your enemity on. :rolleyes:

uh huh. v.v

abortions = evil.

i think there is absolutely no reason in this world for someone to have an abortion. if you are "responsible" enough to have sex then you better be ready and "responsible" to face the consiquences(sp) that comes along with it. the ONLY real reason i would think somebody would have to get an abortion would be becuz they were raped. THAT'S IT! even then i don't think abortion is the answer. there is always another way. just becuz you are pregnant with the child does not mean you have to keep it. there is such a thing as ADOPTION.

fin.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I really don't think its fair to say abortions are evil and there is never a reason to get one. Unless you've been pregnant (which I have not) I don't really think that you can judge what a huge committment a pregnancy is. Even if, as you say, you give it up for adopition, you still have to carry it for 9 months and pregnancy's can permanently change you body and you could have all kinds of complications. Also sometimes people use protection and it doesn't work. I think its a worse thing to bring a child into the world that is unwanted, unloved or can't be provided for. Of course I, and I think most reasonable people, look down on abortions that are done simply because the mother and or father was being irresponsible, but I think whenever you try to say "all abortions are wrong and shouldn't be allowed" you'll inevitably come up with cases where they can be allowed, like the pregnancy is dangerous to the woman or she was raped. I think its just easier and better for all if we don't try to put rules on what people can do with their own bodies, because not only will casese always come up that are exceptions to the rule, I really don't think politics have any place in the bedroom or in personal health.

so the answer is to kill it? no, it's not! we each have our own views on the subject. we are entitled to our own opinions. i just don't see abortion as the answer! :\

Fair enough, but in my defense the first thing I said in my reply to you was "Everyone's entitled to their own opinion", so you don't need to come at it like I don't respect your opinion.

And I've met some pretty screwed up people, and I would never go so far as to say they shouldn't have been born, but it kinda makes you wonder, especially in cases where kids are neglected so badly that they die young from things like malnutrition or physical abuse.

To quote you directly you said "I just don't think abortion is the answer", and thats totally fine, but I don't think you or anybody else have the right to impose what you think onto other people through laws and things like that.

no no i don't think you are disrespecting my opinion. :D i didn't mean it to sound like that! :\

Its cool, and I respect your opinion :D

yeah, but in my opoinion, i think adoption is worse than abortion, because if the kid finds out he/she was adopted, they would be upset and might want to find their real parents, and that could destroy their lives.

*sigh*
Yes, dear. But surely if that were the case, there would be hundreds less kids alive.

(I'm trying to be pleasant now.)

that's becuz parents are stupid. when the kid is old enough to understand what the parents are trying to say then they should tell him/her. plus that really shouldn't matter. if you are with someone that you grew up with and you know that they love you with all their heart there really shouldn't be a problem. i'm not saying that some kids don't spaz out or anything and if they do that's becuz they are stupid and don't realize what they got.

not everything is like it is in the movies. :\

I respect peoples opinions and all but i am against abortion to a point....
What i mean is that if you do not want a baby dont have sex
but if you are raped and u live and your pregnate by the raper then have the abortion
but that is the only way abortions should be but that is my opinion

I completely disagree. Don't get me wrong, I think women should have the choice to have abortions but that doesn't mean that I think killing babies is fine or that abortion for just any ol reason is fine, I just think its not my place to tell people what to do with their bodies. That said, how could you even think about saying that adoption is worse than abortion!! Thats like saying its better to be dead that be raised by somebody who isn't you natural parent, what a crazy thing to say. Yeah there is a slim chance that your adoptive parents would be horrible, or that you would seek out your natural parents and they would be horrible, but come on, it would still be better than being dead! Most people who are adopted go on to lead perfectly fine and happy lives and have great relationships with their adoptive parents.

I know a lot of kids that did.