Hello all - I'll be working with the Direwolf counsel to work with GW direct (for GW publishing) to go through any frequently asked questions in regards to Beastmen in conjuntion with 7th edition.

Please post any and all that you might have.

Can we keep asking if Beast Herds can have 5 wide ranking? If we keep asking I'm sure they'll succumb and change it ;)

Otherwise: Why do you hate us? :D

There's not a ton we have left to resolve.

1.) Can chaos trolls that aren't in base to base vomit?
2.) Since the Staff of Darkoth has magical attacks, and is a weapon, can a Doombull with the Mark of Tzeentch take it?
3.) Are you sure beast herds don't rank 5 wide?
4.) Are you sure Greater daemons aren't affect by the rune of the true beast and beast cowers?
5.) Pretty please can we use the hordes of chaos magic items until we get the new book?
6.) Would you mind releasing those new minotaur plastics early? I can't wait until the new release. :(

Herds need to either get a rank bonus from being 4 wide or have the wording altered to make them 5 wide minimum. It was always an issue but there are so many 50mm frontage units out there now... our army has enough trouble. The intent of the beast herd rules was to ensure rank bonuses. It was written at a time when the idea of 5 wide ranks wasn't even being tossed around. So honestly, it isn't even just an issue of buffing a unit to a useful level, but about restoring what was the intent of the rules (ie, not just a "wish list" issue).

Good good - keep them coming!!

"is firewyrm breath considered magical and/or flaming attacks?"

probably worth asking.

Oh and "the BRB says 'rules must of course be played as written', as such can we use entries from the HoC book if we have it on hand? if not can our herds rank up 5 wide so they work as intended? It is rather unfair to get the worst of both worlds here." (possibly add in the words daggoth speaks here)

"The Staff of Darkoth is a magic weapon but not a 'Magic Weapon'. May Tzeentch doombulls use it as they are able to use a 'magic weapon' of up to 100 points in value?"

"The chaos troll entry says 'Instead of attacking normally, the whole unit may vomit on the enemy' (from memory), does 'whole unit may vomit on the enemy' mean chaos troll models not in base to base contact with the enemy are able to perform the attack too?"

"And finally, keeping in mind all the hits BoC have suffered had since release in 6th edition, is being kicked in the groin at the start of every match going to be a new rule in the 7th edition BoC book, or will it remain an unofficial policy?"

Just remembered another!

"When the mutant monstrosity rolls a double, does it perform the belly flop instead of or in addition to the original attack?"

"How does the (WEAPON THAT DOES EXTRA DAMAGE TO WALLS AND STEAM TANKS) work against steam tanks in the 7th edition empire book?"

I'm sure i can think of more at work (yay I found a job!)

There's an official errata removing the references to hordes of chaos. So by RaW, there's no references to HoC.

Exactly, if they are willing to change the material as new editions have messed up how something is meant to work then they can do it!

I thought the FAQs were to be taken as "GW House Rules", and since the Errata is part of the FAQ... :unsure: Of course, that would mean no Marks on Chariots... :angry: decisions, decisions.

Errata isn't to be taken as such. It's like a rulebook.

Errata > Rules (> FAQs if you use them)

Erratas supercede the rules as written. It's a change of the rules. FAQs are just house rules.

Perhaps this is one to ask...

Is a unit, that failed its fear test to charge, able to charge in the magic phase with a movement spell (ala Wolf Hunts for example)?

Do beasts of chaos suck?

Does GW love beasts of chaos?

Since other armies are better than us, can we have multiple marked bestigor units?

One question about herds getting charged by 2 enemy units.
In the main rule book is says something like the 2 units charge at the same time and split the frontage of the enemy unit evenly (i.e. the herd would rank up along the entirety of both units).

In the FAQ on charging skirmishers the question was asked - what if the two units are charging from opposite sides of the unit. The (fair enough) response was that one unit charges, the herd lines up, and then the other charges.

The question asked made it clear that the two units were "obviously" in different "flanks" by common sense. My question the is - what if the two charging units start side by side - do you still charge one, and then the other, or do they both charge at the same time?

(Yes I know what the answer is likely to be - but its worth a shot with the way some of the FAQ answers have gone recently).

Other than that - "What's the release date for our new book please?!"

Let's say you have a 5-8 herd and an organ gun gets 10 hits. How do these 10 hits get allocated since there aren't enough Ungor shields to take all the hits. What if all 10 hits wound? What models get taken away?

First 8 on the ungors and two on gors. Allocate before rolling to hit/wound.

Is a defensively used braystaff two-handed? or is it a weapon at all?

I believe its a weapon however it is used; it says so at the top of the entry. Good catch on the 2handed thing. You'll notice for the great weapon style it doesn't mention it is 2handed either :S

As with the majority of people posting about rules that claim to be 100% correct, I don't have the BRB close at hand, but iirc a great weapon has two-handed in its description, or somesuch. Would be nice if they clarified it at least, since like...yeah, it's been debated before, but it says "Either used as a great weapon in which case it grants +2 strength and strikes last, or it may be used defensively..."
For one, one could argue that it's strange that they don't mention the part about two hands when they include the rest of its definition (I think there's been some similiar case with the VC before they were FAQed?)
Number two, it says to either use it as a great weapon (hence 2handed) or defensively.
Clarification would nice, no matter the outcome. It's not like it's a great deal, but yeah.

when will i put away the units i wanna have in ambush?
would i be a gentlemen and say what is in ambush and is not.
cos i wanna think of ambushing units was going to be a surprise like an assassin.
so what is a good time to put away units in ambush, before or after my opponent have shown his army? or?

when is this FAQ going to come out? soon i hope :) i have a tournament next weekend

I can't help but feel GW will ignore BoC till the 7th ed book is out.

Prove me wrong and nerf us again GW (if you dare :P)

Never hurts to ask though.

I'll keep the window open for another week (by next Sunday).

Quite true that it doesn't hurt to ask.

Indeed, submitting questions on the current rules will help provide the new book's writer with an idea of what to be careful with in the remake.

I've thought of another question:

There is an apparent black hole in the rules for raiders forming up; their width is based on that of the enemy, but at the same time all command and character models must be in the front rank. This can cause there to be more models in the front rank than permitted, how should this be dealt with?

It doesn't conflict at all. Command and Characters only have to go into the front rank IF there is space to place them, with Characters having priority.

It does mean that with a couple of characters you can end up losing your Standard/Musician bonuses quite often.

The BRB rules allows you to put characters/command in the rear ranks if there is no room. However, I'm pretty sure the raiders overides/changes it to all characters/command models must be moved to the front when forming up (which obviously leads to problems, hence the question).

The sensible thing to do is ignore the imperative in the BoC book, but its worth asking GW if this is what should be done (if we get the opportunity).

" WHy can only 3 non character units in the army be marked, and one of those has a limit of one?"

Seems reasonable to me.

"Can we get less hate from you?"


Otherwise,

"When a Character is marked, why can't a Chaos Spawn be marked as the unit he needs to be legal?" Words can be switched around as it sounds awkward, but I think you guys will get what I mean.

Actually there is no "Must" in the rule for ranking up. It just says move any command and Characters to the front rank then form up all the Gors as close to the front rank as possible.

Regardless I think we both agree that its fairly obvious what the intent is :)

That'd require an errata, decker brought this up but this is a good example to repeat it, in order to be the most help and get the best results for us, lets keep this away from "could we get this changed?"; in this case the book says point blank (hidden in the long list regarding mark rules) that spawn do not count for being marked units.

We have more than enough rule issues that need nothing more than clarification that we don't have to delve into asking for re-writes (which in this case won't happen).

Obviously the big stuff is defining exactly what a bray staff is, since the wording refers to it "mimicking" other items without actually being them, and the whole staff of darkoth thing; the issues with raiders brought up; and other misc stuff.

Having been here a long time, I can confidently say that unsolved rules debates we have had involving bray staffs outnumber any other issue. People have reached firm gentlemans agreements (you can't use a bray staff w/ enchanted shield & heavy armor for a 1+ same for example) that could be validly argued in another direction.

Before deployment you make a note on your armylist of which units are in ambush as per the AB. Beyond that, you can do what you like with the actual models off the table until their ambush is triggered.