If a chariot hit a cannon or other warmachine does it impacts hit get randomized between the crew and the cannon?

I'm pretty sure it doesn't but cant seem to find anything in the rule book or FAqs

Shouldn't they be treated as shooting? Sounds like randomisation to me...

I'm not sure it is,but i dont have a rule book with me at the moment and i cant find anything in the FAQs(which is where i was sure i saw it) :wacko: :blink:

I'm pretty sure under the impact hits rules in the Rulebook, it says Distributed as per shooting which means randomised. Which is why Ungors get shoved under the wheels before the Gors do.

Well bugger me,i must be seeing things then because i could have sworn the cannon itself wasnt included

Meals what are you taking to CTA matey?

Just some crazy ass Daemon list with a unit of 5 Crushers + Herald, should be fun times :)
Its a super one trick pony but it'll be interesting to see if my opponents can handle it. Actually I guess there's two ponies with the Siren Song Nettes ;)

Look forward to seeing them

I´m bringing a soft DE list ,or so i was told :rolleyes: .I don´t think there is such a thing.: :D

Heh, yeah Dark Elves are truly broken ;) I am looking forward to my comp score.

The best part is though, it might actually all be painted for once :o only 7 models to go... how many shortcuts can I get away with :)

Seems illogical since the war machine isn't even in b2b with the chariot at any point, but the "as shooting" thing pops up a lot.

The one exception that comes to mind is characters on mounts, where all hits are allocated vs the mount rather than the usual 5-6 hits the char.

Impact hits are randomised yeah, sadly for us :)

I would look at it as though the crew take a little cover behind the Warmachine to lessen the incoming impact.

Hit's are also randomised between a Character and a Monstrous Mount, unless it's a horse/cold one etc. So i thought :|

No they are not, it is stated in BRB that all hits go against the mount.

Cool, learn something new every day :D

Quoted for the record this was already noted. :rolleyes:

Lordy's explanation makes some sense, self preservation and all that.

I was under the impression that chariot hits are distributed as shooting, within the models in base-to-base contact. I don't have a BRB on me, but that's the way I was taken to school recently.

Well, check your rulebook then, cos there's no such rule. They're just randomised as shooting, and that's that. Sucks vs the Cauldron of Blood especially...

When RAW goes bad...

...Never in base contact with ungors either, but they step up to take the hits as well.

Even though the war machine is not in b2b, the warmachine section
says that it is a valid target for the attackers ( it has a WS of 0 and
is hit automatically) . I have never seen an FAQ on this but it certainly
appears that the machine itself is a part of the combat and a vaid
target for impact hits.

It would be pointless to attack a warmachine as they are spiked if they are undefended.

I can only think that section of rules is there for when the crew is already engaged to one side and is flanked, allowing the flankers to choose between the crew or warmachine (or not being able to choose at all, if not having contact with the crew but machine only).

In short, no you cannot attack the warmachine if you are not in btb, but a wrinkle in the chariot impact hits does allow it be hit. Hopefully they will close that in 8th ed rules, or you could like, play with common sense and apply the hits to the crew as most people do.

Although yes, common sense is 'as varied as wilford brimley on pixie sticks'. Hehe. Love that quote.

Acording the war machines section the war machine itself is a valid target for
attacks, thus the part about WS0 and hit automatically.

Correct, none of which voids the requirement to be in base to base contact.

I think that this is an instance of a specific rule ( ie. warmachines ) override
the general rules ( ie. hth )

I'd agree there. And the chariot hits being resolved as shooting is always a funny one. It can hit ungors 4 ranks back if you have enough gors for example. But the line saying you can attack the war machine is pretty explicit. Anyone can attack the war machine. Could make a very good war machine hunter with an auto-wound weapon. Charge and you automatically cause 3 wounds, killing most war machine and breaking most crews.

It would do that if it specefically mentioned voiding that rule. Thats how specefic rules overide general rules.

It also makes little sense given how much attention is paid to the hold charge reaction and placment of crew inbetween the machine and chargers so as to 'protect the machine'.

I agree with Talonz, you can attack the warmachine, but only if you are touching it! Obviously the form up rules means a single charger won't ever make into contact with the machine, you'll need multiple units coming from different directions.

Impact hits can still be distributed to the warmachine though.

@ Talonz & Daftgor

As Decker also mentioned the line in the warmachine section is pretty
explicit, it says that you may attack the warmachine. Now it isnt normally
done because it is typically harder to wound the T7 machine than the
T3-4 crew.

Perhaps a more thorough illustration will help;

There is the section on what you can attack"Which models fight" p32. You must be in base contact with your target.

Looking at the profiles for warmachines, they give (As an example) "movement as crew, toughness 7, wounds 3" for the cannon. Ok so it can take damage, but how do you attack it?

Refer back to p32. You can attack it if in base contact.

How do you hit it? The section on close combat with warmachines now has a reason to exist, pb 86. It has an effective WS of 0 and you autohit it. Roll to wound and track wounds as normal.

Without a specefic exception to the base contact rule, you must still be in base contact. The p86 simply tells you how to otherwise attack a model that doesnt enter close combat on its own and doesnt fight back, and has an incomplete profile. Thats its sole purpose, and reading anything else into it would be a mistake, and grossly silly.

Where does it say you may attack the warmachine, even when not in base contact?

'A warmachine that is attacked in close combat is assumed to have a WS of 0 and is therefore hit automatically'.

As far as I can see this doesn't give special permission to ignore the usual rules that models fight if in base contact. From what I understand it is saying how you deal with rolling to hit against a warmachine just in case you do happen to get into base contact with it whilst the crew still live.