Title: 2250 daemons tournament list
ksuM - August 11, 2009 01:13 PM (GMT)
Restrictions that affect my unit choices:
greater daemons use a lord and a hero slot
flesh hounds 0-2
horrors 0-2
siren song uses a rare slot
immortal fury uses a rare slot
master of sorcery 0-1
BSB cannot have gifts and a magic banner at the same time
flamers 0-1
magic is capped at 12 pd
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1 Keeper of Secrets
General; Magic Level 3
Siren Song
Soul Hunger
Torment Blade
1 Herald of Khorne
Armour of Khorne
Firestorm Blade
Juggernaut
1 Herald of Tzeentch
Magic Level 2; Battle Standard
Winged Horror
Spell Breaker
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5 Chaos Furies
5 Chaos Furies
5 Chaos Furies
10 Pink Horrors of Tzeentch
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3 Fiends of Slaanesh
5 Flesh Hounds of Khorne
5 Flesh Hounds of Khorne
12 Bloodletters of Khorne
Standard; Musician
Icon of Endless War
Bloodreaper
20 Pink Horrors of Tzeentch @ 270 Pts
Magic Level 2; Standard; Musician
Iridescent Horror
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Casting Pool: 10
Dispel Pool: 7 + spell breaker
Models in Army: 73
Total Army Cost: 2249
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What say you?
3-0-0 with this list so far, don't see anything I could improve on at the moment.
Faced anvil dwarfs, vampires and star dragon high elves.
No flamers because siren song uses uses a rare slot and I prefer fiends over flamers as running down units nettes me more points than killing off a bunch of models usually. They are also better against shooting armies which are the most dangerous for daemons.
Any constructive critisism?
Cheers,
Tom
Daggoth - August 11, 2009 03:30 PM (GMT)
Looks good. I'd rather face that than what you took last night, but that doesn't mean its worse. I think the fiends might be just as good in a unit of 2, and a unit of 21 horrors might be better, but aside from that nice.
Beastlord Karankawa - August 11, 2009 04:20 PM (GMT)
Looks like a solid balanced list. What tactics do you find most successful with it?
Drothar - August 11, 2009 05:07 PM (GMT)
Looks like a solid list. I'd be interested to know how useful you find the larger block of horrors - if it weren't for the restrictions would you use 2 units of 10 instead (3 units of 10 overall)? Also, how do you find the restrictions overall? Do they accomplish further balancing?
ksuM - August 11, 2009 05:43 PM (GMT)
3 X 10 horrors is a weak option that struggles against lots of builds.
Without infrantry to aid them scoring units like hounds or keeper tend to get stuck and die (easiest way to beat inexperienced daemon generals).
Bloodletters with herald are a very good and hitty unit, especially with the +d6 banner while horrors with a 4+ ward save and huge static CR help my heavy hitters.
Handy tactic against dragons and greater daemons:
__ :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
___ :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: B) B) B) B) B)
:angry: furies
:blink: keeper
B) horrors
I activate the siren song and my enemy has to charge the keeper and block of infrantry at the same time.
Cheers to David L for showing me this.
Restrictions are very good, give other armies a chance.
Meals - August 11, 2009 08:49 PM (GMT)
I like the list a lot, Its pretty much my list minus the Fleshhounds. I have Seekers instead.
I have had a unit of 20 Horrors in my army since I started, and they are always fantastic. The combat res and the 4+ward means they stick around for a long time. And Gift of chaos is a great area threat...
I suppose you want the BSB to have mobility, but I think it would be much safer on the Khorne Herald, plus it means he can take down units by himself
ksuM - August 11, 2009 09:20 PM (GMT)
I like when the keeper can grind a full unit of TG with slann thanks to rerolls B)
I'll make up my mind about the bsb after a couple more games, right now it's just theoryhammer and I don't like that.
Daggoth - August 12, 2009 09:39 AM (GMT)
In our game the BSB could have theoretically helped, but its hard to keep him within 12" of the right units it seems. Personally I'd switch the banner over to the khorne herald. He seems to be out on his own more and in the thick of things. For 25 points, I don't see any reason to get rid of it though, it isn't detracting anything and can only help. I dunno if there's some kind of penalty for that though. The seekers seem to fair poorly too... WS4 and S4 just isn't gonna do a lot, their 4A is counterbalanced by having a very wide frontage.
I'm hurt that you don't even consider your win vs me worth posting btw. :P