Ok so the rule states I can only declare a charge if 25% of my unit is within charge range. If I declare a charge and check the range and I do not have 25% in range, do I fail the charge or was I just not able to declare the charge to begin with?

I also came into a situation that Im not sure how the rule works. Picture a unit of dragon ogres in front of a unit of HE Dragon Princes. I also have a beast herd behind the dragon princes but not 25% can reach the Dragon Princes. I declared a charge with both so that he wouldnt flee from me. Was this legal?

And last but not least. If only gors in a beast herd are touching the enemy in which all have the same intiative value and he kills more Gors than I actually have, do I begin removing Ungors?

1. It's a failed charge, move your normal movement towards him as usual.
2. If they're obviously outside charge-range, then it's unsporting to charge with the herd. Otherwise, see 1.
3. You don't remove ungors. He still counts the wounds for CR, though, AFAIK.

mrtn are almost right, just commentating:
2: If you are sure that you won´t reach, you are not allowed to declare the charge. But if you are standing behind him you are already in good position for crossfire anyway. :)
3: You don´t remove ungors, and the excess wounds do not count for CR, since it is not a challenge. :)

Its unsporting to declare a crossfire charge even if they are out of range? Thats definitly ok in our playing areas group. I just wasnt sure if it was even allowed to be declared.

Thanks so much for the clarification though. He wont like the fact that he cant kill off more ungors. Can he target the ungors if he isnt in base contact with them?

I think that if some but not quite 25% of your models were within charge range then you are allowed to declare a charge. Now if its obvious that only one or two models will be able to reach and you will not have 25% within range henceforth you know you will have a failed charge before you declare it............... :huh: ............. I honestly have to say I don't know. I couldn't find anything in the army book or the BRB that disallows you to declare a charge for that reason.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_Custom...-02_Edition.pdf

"Therefore, declaring a charge that you know cannot be completed(...) is cheating."

Yup, if you're unsure and it's close, it's legal, but if an opponent calls you on it and you're not even close, it wasn't a legal charge (what's close is very subjective).

But if he would flee the charge could be completed. We have run into issues like this on numerous occasions. Where a multiple charging units can force the opponent to choose a different reaction. I am a 10+ year veteran so Ive seen a lot of game time, oddly Ive only played against Beasts once. Ive read and reread the errata and faqs and we just cant seem to get answers sometimes. We all like to play for the fun of it, but we hate using the "roll a die if you cant get an answer" and would prefer some more rule clarifications. A shame GW is too lazy to make a simple webpage update for all kinds of different questions.

But you can't declare it if you know it's out of range. If it's the 25% rule stopping you, it's probably on the line, so I'd say it's probably legal. But if you're too far out of range and you know it, you can't declare a charge.