Staff of Darkoth - magic weapon?

I was playing against WE's and my bray Shaman was in a unit in combat with some dryads, he had the staff of Darkoth which counts as a Braystaff. Does this count as a magical attack that would negate his ward save or not?

I don't think so, I thought it counts as a bray staff with the exception that it gives you the extra spell, but the weapon itself counts as a bray-staff...

I am inclined to say yes... Although it doesn't prohibit you from taking another magical weapon (it's not under that catagory), the fact that it counts as a bray-staff (a weapon) and is magical makes a very good arguement for it working as a magical weapon.

However, I do not have any true support for my stance, but I will definatly add this to my list of crazy mistakes in the beast book...

To counter Redsquids arguement, items that count as Great Weapons would then also not count as magical weapons... things like the slaughterer's blade, which counts as a great weapon and has no additional effect on the person wounded by it.

Well, the slaughterer's blade is of course in the magical weapons section, unlike the staff of darkoth...

I would say its attacks counts as magical, since it's a magic item that you can use as a weapon, same as the warrior familiar, wich I also think should count as makin magical damage.

You just have to decide it with your opponent. There has been the same topic on few other forums and noone has the answer.

http://warhammer.org.uk/PhP/viewtopic.php?...ghlight=darkoth
http://warhammer.org.uk/PhP/viewtopic.php?...ghlight=darkoth
http://warhammer.org.uk/PhP/viewtopic.php?...ghlight=darkoth

Yeah what Bladesinger said on the 3rd link:

But it seems a lot of people have different opinions and nobody's certain...

I thought it might be worth resurrecting an old thread to point anyone who doesn't know to Here where the man himself has spoken.

Saw that this morning myself. Looks like its settled - the attacks count as magical

I checked out that other forum, maybe this is off topic, but, someone mentioned giving a Wargor of Tzeentch the staff. When I read the BoC army book it only mentions Bray Shamen as being able to take it (without excluding others). Whats the scoop?

The other question is if the staff is a 2 hd weapon or not. Cant find it in the BoC book, and there is precident for other strength increasing weapons to be one handed (Black Maul).

Beast Fox

Tzeentch marked BoC characters are defined as shamans in the magic section. Hence, they can take the staff of darkoth. The restriction on it is just wierd, they could of said it could only be taken by BoC characters and cleared up the whole thing, but they didn't.

It's definitely two handed when used offensively as it says 'may be used as a great weapon.'

It's not so clear if it requires two hands when used defensively (+2 Armour save 'but does not give any additional benefit') but I think you'd be pushing your luck if you tried to argue you could use it one handed - it's a staff, which (in reality) is a two handed weapon.

are you asking that if you use it defensively can you use a sheild with it? or are you asking that if you use it defensively can you use a different hand wepon with it,

well if you use a sheild with the staff, i beleive you cant attack back, beacause you cant attack with the sheild hand, and youre using the staff defensively, so what you going to attack with.

though if you dont have a sheild you can still attack, as it doesnt say it takes two hands too used when used defensively.

-warmaster

As far as I know you still get your attacks back. The only item in the game that makes it so the user cannot attack is the cautious sheild, and that specifically says the bearer may opt not to attack to recieve a greater benefit.

I think you can strike as well.... just says gives a bonus to armor save, not that you can't attack.